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Why Is A Character From A Film, Who Is A Pedophile, Gets Any Remorse?!!


I'm not trying to anger anyone, ruffle feathers, or insult anyone. I want people to really think about what this is at its purest form with no bull! You know, people talk about this character feeling so sorry for the man who has feelings for A KID AT 13 YEARS OLD! Then in real life, when a 13 year old kid gets, seduced, raped, or gets abducted by an adult, it causes outrage and anger. In contrast, people pay money to see a film in which this pervert who is highly sick and dysfunctional, who hungers for a child, gets remorse! Uh? What? Hello! Feeling sorry for a Pedophile!!! I don't care if this is fiction! It is what it is! Immoral! Unethical! Ill Rational! It's a twisted out look that goes against a healthy form of Human Nature And Society! It’s Completely contorted! Not an ounce of acceptance in our society should be tolerated! It amazes me how casual people talk about this poor male character, Hubert who is just trying to rekindle feelings when he was this girl's age! I wouldn't be too surprised if a law passes where it's all right for an adult to have sex with a minor! It really scares me that people talk about a repulsive character from a film that reflects real life in which this twisted behavior does occur, and again, there is to be found remorse! By The Way! How would you like it if a man like this went after your son or daughter and victimizes him or her? Would you pay to watch a film like this there after a tragic encounter like that happens to your child? This isn't between two consenting adults! Again! It's An Adult Who Wants A Child!

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I wouldn't be too surprised if a law passes where it's all right for an adult to have sex with a minor!
You wouldn't be too surprised by that, huh?

Please reference the two links below.
http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm
It's already legal in most of the world.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/12483-age-consensual-sex/



Men are strange beasts.
- John Clayton, Lord Greystoke

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Mary, I agree with you. BTW Delores was 12 and 7 months when Humbert raped her.

A child can not consent to sex. Children like Jessica Lunsford and Polly Klaas were kidnapped and forced. Why do you think someone like Couey and Davis received the death penalty!

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Lo was twelve in the book. I thought she was fourteen in the movie?



Men are strange beasts.
- John Clayton, Lord Greystoke

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She was 14 in the movie.

I don't know why I keep referring to the novel...

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Wow...didn't think that by coming to IMDB I'd be reminded of my cousin's murder. Wow.

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why do you think you're supposed to feel sorry for humbert? who said he was the good guy? i think you need to learn how to a) read--because i think it would take a lot for you to get through the book and b) watch film carefully. you are clearly reading the film and the novel incorrectly.

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Yeah it took me a while to get through the book, the first time I started to read it I got really disturbed at one point and kind of felt sick. I brought it back to the library and didn't get it again until a few months later. I got through it then, but felt really disturbed still. But I think the way it is so beautifully written sucks you in ,even though what you are reading is horrific.

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GIFT, and the fact that many posters on the internet are ignorant idiots looking to troll or simply aren't very bright.

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further edification re: GIFT
ah, forget it, you'll either figure it out or you won't.

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you want a real answer? fine. i am not obligated to teach people to stop being dumbasses. if you can't understand lolita, you likely won't ever understand it, and People Who Tend To Capitalize Every Word In A Sentence Or Thread Are Generally Not Too Bright Anyhow!!!???!?!

in a nutshell--if you want to take on the responsibility for tutoring the dullards of the world, feel free. i have dinner to make.

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People Who Tend To Capitalize Every Word In A Sentence Or Thread Are Generally Not Too Bright Anyhow!!!???!?!


Late in the game but this was said by someone that doesn't capitalize at all.

Pot..... Kettle.....


I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Gosh, harsh burn. I'm really felling that sting. How is it that you're so skilled in the art of a savage internet beatdown?

Sometimes I capitalize, sometimes I don't. Look through my posting history, I give no *beep*

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Just pointing out your hypocrisy there, hotrod. Oh, looks like you do give a beep.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Hotrod? are you for real? okay, daddie-o.

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Easy, tiger!

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Lolita is a masterpiece. It fascinates me much. But I still feel disgusted at the plot.


We are all globe villagers.

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i dont think he's really a peadophile...he's not looking to take adavntage of anyone...if anything she is smarted than him and knows how to play him. He was wrong to do it but he had issues from his childhood...he was "emotionally stuck" at age 14. He is in love with Lolita, he never had sex with anyone else under the age of consent.

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He's not looking to take advantage? Really?
So when he drugged her with sleeping pills so he could fondle her at night, he wasn't looking to take advantage? How would you like to be drugged and fondled by a 40-year-old man?

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mmmm i dont remember that bit - thats disgusting.

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Why does he get remorse? My answer to you would be this: because he is human, and not an animal. Humbert is not a predator, neither is he a violent man. He is a very passionate individual, and yet despite the way he feels, he has an immense reserve of self-control. You just can't judge a person by a single facet of their personality, especially when doing so results in resorting to stereotypes. Everybody makes mistakes and bad decisions in their lives; whether or not they are deserving of our sympathy has a lot to do with whether or not they sincerely regret those actions, which Humbert is indeed shown to do, with regards to the course of his relationship with Lo, in the end.

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Are we judging the character, or are we judging the crime? The point is not to jump hastily to conclusions.

Essentially, I got my point about self-control from the line, "years of secret sufferings had taught me superhuman self-control." The way I see it, it takes a lot of self-control to fight the illicit desires a person like Hum has. That doesn't change what he did, but what I got from the story is that the only reason he went so far is because he had found himself faced with such a rare and perfect opportunity.

I mean, it's not like he was going around drugging 14 year old girls left and right. That sequence was the result of a long period of escalation which involved quite a bit of Hum controlling his desires. If he was the sort to act rashly on his impulses, he would have been on Lo - and thus, out of the house - long before having a chance to arouse Mother Haze's affections, and thus create an opportunity to sidle his way into the family.

Furthermore, he may have been misguided, and his judgement may have been clouded, but Humbert had convinced himself that what he intended to do was harmless - that Lo would never even know his true intentions. That still doesn't make it right, but it's a long way from forcing yourself on someone in the heat of a moment.

As for the rest of the relationship, it evolved as a result of Lo drawing Hum in much deeper than he had planned on going. Not to say that it was Lo's fault, but it wasn't Humbert's expectation for things to progress so heavily. And though he may not have accepted it at the time (because he was trying to make the most of the rare situation fate had handed him), he does eventually awaken to the gravity of his crime.

Indeed, in the very end, when he contemplates the charges brought against him, Humbert judges himself guilty of rape, but not murder. You see, he regretted his corruption of Lo, but on the count of murdering Quilty, he figured he must have done the world a favor. Quilty is the one who deserves no remorse. He exploited many more victims, and with much less concern for their wellbeing. He lacked the love and the passion that Humbert possessed, and he also lacked the empathy to acknowledge his crimes.

On the other hand, though tragically flawed, Humbert possessed certain admirable qualities - not least of which, a passionate romanticism and literary wit able to turn such a sordid affair into a rather beautiful tale. He couldn't avoid the unfortunate fate that awaited him, and it may be said that his fate was wholly deserved. But it is indeed true that there are parts of him, and his struggle, that are deserving of our sympathy.

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i agree with basically everything you've said here, but my one problem with all of it is that i believe humbert to be an 'unreliable narrator'. the only things i believe to be honestly true in the book are the following:

humbert was in love with lolita, even after she had grown up and was pregnant with another man's child. he remained in love with her even after she told him there could never be anything between them.

humbert killed quilty for what quilty had done both to himself and to lo.

humbert and lo are both dead at the close of the novel.

i think it's a beautifully written book, but i'm never really quite sure what's real and what's not, even after having read it over twenty times.

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Honestly, I hear a lot about how Humbert is supposed to be an "unreliable narrator", but I feel like painting him as such is just too easy. He's a pervert, so clearly his words can't be trusted, right? Well, he does use very poetic language to tell such a sordid tale, but even if he takes some poetic license, does that necessarily mean that he's lying to us about his true deeds and feelings?

From the beginning, it's understood that he's writing for the purpose of defending himself - often he addresses the jury in his narration - so it's not unreasonable to assume that he's making an effort to present himself as best as possible under his circumstances, I'll grant you that. But even that pretext vanishes towards the end of the story, and we learn that, somewhere along the way, Humbert's purpose has transformed from defending himself to expressing his personal perspective on the whole unfortunate business of his relationship with Lo - to confess, as it were, his true feelings, that he was unable to transmit to Lo - and if not to Lo herself, then to the rest of the world. And it is this that I think the real purpose of the story is.

Indeed, it would be silly to suggest that the possibility of deception in Humbert's tale is insubstantial. But I don't think we really get that much out of actively doubting him, except for the moral comfort of being able to render even such an eloquent narrator as he is, as the perverted monster we all want to believe him to be. Contrarily, I think that taking him for his word, and allowing for the possibility that, despite his flaws and his faults, he is, ultimately, not so bad a person, offers a reading with a lot more value to our general cultural landscape, which is so quick to condemn that which it does not understand.

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oh, please--don't get me wrong! i don't think humbert is unreliable because he's a pervert, or because he's trying to get out of what he's done, or what have you. i think he's unreliable because nabokov has always been a particularly tricky writer for me, and i still can't tell quite what i think about humbert having read it many, many times.

which i think is part of the beauty of the whole thing.

lolita is one of the most wonderfully penned works in the english language, perhaps in any language, and i hate to see it get a ridiculous and foolish reputation based on the opinions of people who think it's a 'story about a pervert'. it might be--and some days i'm not even sure about THAT--but i do know that it is a brilliant tragedy, and it does deal with real love.

i also think that the lyne version is at least, the most faithful to the book. just to keep it on point.

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Thanks zharth for your disgusting & shallow defense of one of the most cruel characters in fiction ever written.

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zharth, have you ever read the annotated version of the novel? It is absolutely amazing, and makes it clear that Humbert isn't unreliable because he's a pedophile, but because he's a puppet of the true narrator - Nabokov. And Nabokov relishes playing every possible game with, on, and through Humbert.

There's just no way to get it all by simply reading the book - even reading it 100 times. Nabokov draws on too many sources for any one person to follow his bread crumbs. The joy of the annotated version is that a passionate, slavishly devoted academic tracked down all the goodies and lays them out for the reader.

I'll be honest: I'm pretty smart, and fairly well educated. Even with the notes in the book, some elements still went right through and out of my brain without my fully grasping them. But the book is infinitely deeper and easier to see in all its facets now, even if I don't get it all.

I can't fathom how this could have fully come across in a live-action movie. Irons' narration brings some bits of it in. Maybe as an animation with a proscenium arch and a godlike puppetmaster swooping in and out of the frame ... ;)

Anyway. Get that version of the book. It's a joy, and I get the feeling from your post that you'll enjoy it a lot.

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Obviously pedophila is completely and totally wrong. Has anyone actually denied that? Has anyone here said that pedophila is ever acceptable? I hate those with the attitude that if you like this film, or feel any ounce of sympathy for Humbert, then you are condoning pedophila. This isn't the case. Just because SOME people can look at a movie where one of the character's is a pedophile and not be all PEDOPHILE! PEDOPHILE! PEDOPHIA IS WRONG! WE MUST PROTECT THE CHILDREN, IT IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE blah blah blah-- DOESN'T MEAN THEY THINK IT'S OKAY. Honestly, calm down.

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First off, the word pedophilia is a misnomer for the type of behavior illustrated in both the novel and the film(s). Pedophilia is the unnatural attraction to PRE-pubescent children. The correct term for someone as the Humbert Humbert character would be Ephebophilia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia. But this is neither here nor there.

The main point I wish to get across is that the film/novel does much more to condemn the protagonist's actions than to condone them. First off we see the main character start to become unhinged at his paranoia that someone would steal her away from him. He soon learned that it was impossible to have a relationship with someone so much younger than he and that the differences in maturity and knowledge was bound to doom the relationship. Not so obviously is also how the film illustrates how Humbert's solipsism contributes to his unhinging and is a lesson to be learned.

People think that if we do not talk about problems in our society they will just magically disappear. Although the calamity that has happened in the film/novel may seem to be obvious to occur to some people, to others it is not. Therefore a great lesson is taught with this story. Your education on life does not end when one turns 18. We are forever learning life's lessons and some of us learn certain things faster than others. Some of us only learn by actually experiencing it while some could learn from others mistakes. I am sure there is someone out there who could learn from Humbert's.

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I hate to tell you this but there are many girls that are 12 years old that have already hit puberty. Some girls are ovulating as early as ten years old! Pre-pubescent attraction is most definitely a mental illness and as I have not read the book I cannot comment on what the character felt in it. In the film though it is clear that Lolita was well into puberty as she had already developed breasts and her voice had already changed(no longer a child's voice).

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An ephebophile or hebephile is a person whose primary sexual attraction are towards adolescents.

Taking in consideration that in most of the planet ages of consent are set in during adolescence, not to mention that biologically speaking adolescents are already sexually attractives in most cases, then it means that ANY healthy human being, regardless of their age have felt sexually attracted to adolescents more than once in their lifetimes.

In other words, Humbert, in the movie is not a pedophile, nor an ephebophile or a hebephile. The Lolita in the movie is 14 years old, which means she is a full fledged adolescent, and he only seems to be physically attracted to her, which is perfectly natural. There is absolutely no evidence of Humbert lusting for adolescents (plural) other than Lolita.

Now, if it is true that in the book Humbert mentions feeling sexual attraction towards pre pubescent girls, then definitely, he does have pedophile tendencies.



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You need to read the book, you cannot say that Humbert isn't a pedo unless you read the book, because in the book you will get real insight, and in the book it is obvious his only sexual desires is not for fully matured women, but for half developed, or non developed girls


And Loltia was 12 in the book.


Well, clearly they decided to make him different in the movies (both cinematographic versions) to avoid more controversy (it is bad as it is).

The point stands though, in the movies, Humbert is NOT a pedophile.

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I gave him remorse because it really seemed like he missed out on real love as a kid,since his gf died.He acted like he would do anything for lolita and he did.It was creepy, but i liked this movie alot.
Plus he was hot.

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