what's wrong with cary (jason patrick) - Your Friends and Neighbors (1998) Discussion

[–] HansLandasBingoWings 16 years ago

He's and evil bastard, a misanthrope and a misogynist..but you have to admit, you cheer him on when he takes Christine Keener apart in the bookstore. I didn't dislike her charcter that much, but she's had that coming for several films because she always plays the ice queen!

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[–] Zando777 11 years ago

Yeah, she deserved it.

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[–] mrtt77 16 years ago

what scene are you talking about who did he say is screaming when he tries to have sex with her?

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[–] yasminesameh 16 years ago

a girl who was lockig herself in the bathroom

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[–] tracee-garside 16 years ago

You fuqqin' idiot, do you actually pay attention during movies?

He was so furious because "The Lady" had "come on" during sex, and bled all over his obviously expensive sheets. She was on her period. That's why she's so humiliated and he makes the comments about the pain she's feeling.

Don't stop Believin'

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[–] yasminesameh 16 years ago

excuse me ..u r the idiot .. my question was .. why did he always had this over reaction and anger towards girls he sleeps with ,,

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[–] dwp2 16 years ago

He's an angry, self-justifying sociopath who appears also to be a germaphobe. Since he hates humanity, it's not odd that he reviles human germs. Sure, he can be labeled as a woman-hater, but he really has little regard for any kind of human life or emotion (as evidenced by his locker room rape story). The people surrounding him basically serve to keep him amused/not bored. In his world, defiling his space and ruining his plans for pleasure are serious infractions since his feelings are the only ones that matter.

The girl in the bathroom is sobbing for the same reason Catherine Keener's character was so rattled in the bookstore - they've both been confronted by someone who treats them as non-people. I don't agree that it was nice to see Keener's character get her comeuppance. Actually, it was just the opposite for me. The scene shows that even when he's attacking someone who isn't a very nice person, he goes way, way beyond what any non-sociopath would do. It's scary to run into people like that because they can't be reasoned with like normal people. You can't appeal to their better natures because they don't have a better nature.

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[–] yasminesameh 16 years ago

thnx alot .. eveninparadise
really helped

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[–] sehenley 16 years ago

Eveninparadise, I was just thinking the exact same things that you wrote (I just caught this movie on Flix about an hour ago - it's one of my faves, but I hadn't seen it in a while). Thanks for articulating who the Jason Patric character is so well!

Speaking of, I always thought Jason Patric was overrated; but I have to say he really does bring it in this movie. And it's funny to see Ben Stiller and Aaron Eckhart in this movie, given the types of movies they've both done since this movie came out 10 years ago. Ben Stiller needs to go back to his acting roots and stretch from the typical comedies he's done in recent years because he clearly does have the capability of doing more. And Aaron Eckhart just does an amazing job of embodying his characters. Hard to believe this is the same guy who just played Harvey Dent/Two-Face in "The Dark Knight" !

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[–] dwp2 16 years ago

I just saw this on Flix too! Actually, it was my second viewing. I first saw the movie in the theater while I was a freshman or sophomore in college, so that must've been 1998. Ten years later, I was surprised to see that I understood things (or at least felt like I understood things!) so much better.

The acting in this is amazing - though that's not surprising, given the material. Aaron Eckhart always blows me away, but Jason Patric does steal the show.

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[–] serval26 15 years ago

I just saw this on Flix too! Actually, it was my second viewing. I first saw the movie in the theater while I was a freshman or sophomore in college, so that must've been 1998. Ten years later, I was surprised to see that I understood things (or at least felt like I understood things!) so much better.

The acting in this is amazing - though that's not surprising, given the material. Aaron Eckhart always blows me away, but Jason Patric does steal the show.

That's funny because I just watched this today after not having seen it since it first came out when I was 19. I think when I first saw it, it freaked me out. But now I'm able to appreciate it more. Great articulation of Jason Patrick's character btw, it was dead on.

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[–] nutsberryfarm 11 years ago

he just needs some good mexican food.

Season's Greetings

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[–] ARH 14 years ago

The girl in the bathroom is sobbing for the same reason Catherine Keener's character was so rattled in the bookstore - they've both been confronted by someone who treats them as non-people. I don't agree that it was nice to see Keener's character get her comeuppance. Actually, it was just the opposite for me. The scene shows that even when he's attacking someone who isn't a very nice person, he goes way, way beyond what any non-sociopath would do. It's scary to run into people like that because they can't be reasoned with like normal people. You can't appeal to their better natures because they don't have a better nature.

I could not agree more. I did not like Keener's character (actually save Mary and Cheri I didn't like any of them) but he was not hurting her for comeuppance but because he enjoys hurting people as he sees everyone else as lesser than him.

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[–] ferreira0665 12 years ago

yeah the scene in the library with Keener's character was completely out of line. He was accusing her of dicking around when it was his best friend that really had started the cheating on his wife before she got with the woman. Calling her a useless *beep* was completely wrong.

Aside from that, Jason Patric in that scene and also the scene when he is talking about raping that other kid was spot on. He was very creepy when he approached Keener. His character is also a major closeted homosexual. There was no reason to get that pissed at the girl for having her period on the bedspread. That was absolutely ridiculous. But I do agree that because he is a closeted homosexual that he tries to relive that experience he had when he raped that guy in high school and can never get it.

I don't agree with people that have said Eckhart's character didn't care that his wife had cheated on him. Even though it was basically an unfinished one night stand as Stiller's character couldn't even finish.

It did though kind of shock me that Keener and Eckhart didn't at least hook up once. It hinted that they tend to get along better than he and his wife at the beginning of the movie. At the same time that I expected it, I'm they didn't.

My favorite scenes in the movie were when Eckhart's wife confesses to him. Patric with Keener in the library and Keener and Stiller's final conversation. In that scene I was all for her. She was more right than he was in that scene.

In whole, I thought the movie felt very real. I did not find it to be a comedy by any means but rather have a lot of harsh truth in it. The only thing that was even somewhat funny was the galley conversations that tended to repeat with every one of the main characters.

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[–] Zando777 11 years ago

Keener totally deserved what she got. She wasn't hurting Stiller by cheating on him -- she was hurting him by belittling him, driving him to other women, etc. And she had a completely unmerited obnoxious attitude generally.

She *was" a useless *beep*, and she needed to hear it.

You're probably right about Patric, but that's irrelevant.

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[–] Justiss 15 years ago

Rex,
What crappy roles are you referring to? Other than SPEED 2, over 12 years ago, the guy has stayed true to some kind of artistic integrity for almost 20 yrs. I read that he only did SPEED 2 so he could produce Your Friends and Neighbors. The Beast, After Dark My Sweet, Rush( how could you call that crap? it's a classic), Sleepers,Journey of August King, Narc- those are just some . Not to mention one of the the best monologues ever put to film. Imagine if Philip Seymour Hoffman had done it exactly the same, to the nth degree, he would have been nominated. Patric has long been my fave, and a throwback to a better time in movies.

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[–] bafflewit 15 years ago

His character seemingly has not tolerance for dishonesty from females. I think the whole locker room story is something he has tried to recreate as an adult and every subsequent coupling ,manages to fall short. Truthfully, Aaron Eckhart's character is the only one in this film with anything remotely resembling scruples. A perfect example is when he talks to Kinsski at the gallery . They have the same conversation she had with the others, but he wound asking if there was a gift shop so he could pick something up for his wife, whereas everyone else was looking for sex. Oddly (though somewhat realistically), he is the one who winds up alone.

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[–] Phazzle 13 years ago

I think Eckhart's character is actually just as bad as any of them. Consider his obsession with masturbation. He essentially sees his wife as beneath his notice. When he finds out that she has cheated on him he hardly cares. I think that he is probably the driving force behind her promiscuity. When Ben Stiller's character can't "finish," with her it further drives home the idea that she must be unattractive and eventually she ends up with the most sadistic pervert of them all.

Notice that Eckhart's character is only distraught when he can no longer pleasure himself.

What would be worse? A person who desires you but abuses you or a person who sees you as insignificant and politely ignores you?

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[–] Zando777 11 years ago

You're crazy. Most men enjoy masturbation, it doesn't mean they don't love their wives, or view them as beneath their notice. He clearly dotes on her, and is very bothered by the infidelity.

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[–] Xcalat3 14 years ago

he's gay but lies to himself and abuses women to make himself feel better

When there's no more room in hell, The dead will walk the earth...

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[–] Zando777 11 years ago

He clearly has at least some gay tendencies (attacking Eckhart in the shower, the rape story, etc.) He clearly has hatred and anger issues towards women, and this is expressed in his yelling, etc. Probably because he *is* gay, and doesn't really like them.

You never see him attacking guys like this, aside from the rape story -- where he actually "connected" with the guy. So while he's somewhat of a sociopath, it's mostly directed against women.

But if nothing else, he's at least honest, which isn't true of any other character except Eckhart.

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