Moral of the story?


I think it's kind of funny that the most loathsome character in this movie, the one played by Jason Patrick, gets the girl in the end. Her husband was nice to her. He didn't cheat on her. He loved her. But she doesn't want him. She's drawn to this a**hole guy. Women don't like to admit it, but that's really the way they are. It's their instinct. Why do people say that nice guys finish last? Is it just some old wives' tale? No. It's grounded in truth. It's sad, but it is true.

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It's true when describing a certain portion of people, not all people. Many women look for stability and confidence. Decisiveness is another quality people look for in a partner. They either find it irritating that the other person can't make up their mind or in the case of this movie, was so mixed up that she needed someone to make quick and easy decisions for her.

I can tell by your tone that you've witnessed this behavior a lot. Sometimes young males get the idea that they need to act like jerks to get women to like them, but over time I've learned that its not that paticular behavior women are looking for. It's more so the image of confidence and decisiveness that it creates.

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The advertising world goes for it, too. Witness Carl's JR. commercials. Every guy in those commercials is a jerk, and while they're not propogating their characters as being attractive to women, they're definitely doing so to identify them as cool, which amounts to the same thing.

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I have to agree with enave on this, even though i must admit im being biased cause i too have been victimed of this behavior. But to be fair, atleast with me ive realized that i too am more attracted to girls who are "bad" or bitches so to speak, and also agree to the notion that its not really "the bad" that attracts me its the confidence and bold decisiveness they portray that really brings my attention.

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"I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member." -Groucho Marx. Subconsciously, if you hate yourself, you are going to be drawn to people who treat you like crap. And I definitely don't think her husband was such a great spouse. I mean, the guy was so self-absorbed that he couldn't even get an erection for anyone but himself. And in the end, he hated himself so much that he couldn't even get himself up. The point is, they all end up in screwed up situations because they are screwed up people who only care about themselves. That's why it's tagged as an "immorality tale."

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i dont think she was with him because he was a bastard, i think she was with him because he was an uncomplicated sex partner.
she'd had enough of the figurative and literal impotence of her husband and her failed lover. This guy was finally gunna give her some, and sometimes thats all us women want...

This is it. This is the moment of your death.

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I don't think it was about her ending up with the a-hole. she just wanted anyone different. she would have slept with the next guy whomever he was. I agree though, it was partially about hating herself. She didn't want to have sex in that last scene, so it wasn't about her wanting to have sex. Actually, I don't think we know how long she had been sleeping with Jason Patric's character consdering he mentions that she was pregnant...so who knows how long that had been going on?


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don't worry, be happy.



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If that were true, she would've been happy at the end. But she wasn't. She was just a generally miserable person, bouncing around trying to find happiness.

(No evidence her husband was impotent.)

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I agree I bet she ends up back with her husband with the kid. The one thing no one mentions is this guy is not about to change, he is a womanizer and can you see them with a kid.

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There's no evidence Eckhart had trouble getting it up for her. She just wasn't interested.

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It's true what the movie and Neil LeBlute says, nice guys finish last, bad guys finish first. But the bad guys end up unhappy and miserable as destiny or Karma soon or later will catch up to them.

I read a short story once by a famous author which is about this heartless, sociopath, misgyonist, misanthropic creep who dates and dumps vulnerable and weak-minded women as he puts it; "just for the hell of it". In the story, he makes the mistake of picking up the wrong woman; a headstrong career woman whom he matches wits with. Only when he dumps her, she will not go away. He resorts to a drasic step to make it happen by humiliating her in a verbal public way. At the very end, that woman ends up killing him. She goes to his apartment one evening just as he is preparing to go out crusing to another place to pick up his latest victim, knocks on his front door, he awswers it, and without saying a word, she shoots him seven times with a silenced .45 caliber pistol. She collects all of the shell casings on the floor as not to leave behind evidence, and leaves him in a pool of his own blood inside his apartment... just as he deserved to what was coming for him.

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I disagree that her husband wasn't cheating on her. He was cheating on her with himself and that made her feel unnecessary and unloved. Just observe his reaction after he finds out the truth. It doesn't even phase him. He doesn't kick Cary's ass or come home and yell at his wife he just finishes his dinner and walks out on her.

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Masturbating isn't cheating. (Geesh.) And he was very bothered. He just wasn't violent about it. (If he wasn't phased, he wouldn't have left. Or talked to Cary about it. Etc.)

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I took this movie to mean that you don't always end up with you predict and suspect. Sometimes the best fit for us is a bad fit for everyone else. Yes, he was sadistic and mean verbally, but she was sadistic too (non-verbally). She never gave any of the first two men any reassurance or positive feedback to make them feel better about their manhood. However, I assume that Amy and Jason had perfect chemistry and both fulfilled each other's desires, fantasies and needs. They were my FAVORITE couple of the entire movie and it sucks we only got to see them for about 42 seconds before the credits roll.


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She clearly wasn't happy with him. And he doesn't appear very happy with her.

I think it was basically just an ironic commentary.

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I think it's somewhat more complicated than that. Unhealthy women do like a-holes. Most women don't, but they do like someone who's strong, confident, and decisive. If they can get that with a decent, loyal guy, they'll prefer it to an a-hole. But many "nice" guys are only nice b/c they're weak and fearful. And that's very unattractive. B/c they're not being nice for any good/admirable reason. So many women will prefer the a-hole to that, at least in the short term.

As one woman once put it -- women don't like a-holes. But they like wimps even less. What's frustrating for women, presumably, is the difficulty in finding someone who's both strong and reasonably sensitive/considerate, without being dependent, etc.

In this case, Amy Brennan was clearly unhealthy. She easily cheated on her (decent, if boring) husband with his best friend, simply because she was bored (depressed). Not evidence of a healthy, decent person. So it made sense for her to end up with an a-hole. She remains miserable, but probably feels that's all she deserves. She needs to be abused.

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Zando777 has an insightful take on this. Enave...beware of blanket statements about half the human race. For your own sake. Beware. Life is a lot more complicated and nuanced than that. This is a story of 6 messed up people, and one of them, Cary, is a monster. There are people like him, but thankfully, they are few and far between. He ends up with Amy Brenneman at the conclusion of the movie, but I don't think in any way LaBute is saying 'this is my lesson for you viewers. Go and be like Cary, for then you shall win.'

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Why do people say that nice guys finish last?


Because he wouldn't be a nice guy if he didn't let her finish first.

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