She always had this retarded blank look on her face! She mumbled her xords throughout the entire film! And she was filled with all this being 'good' crap, then went n slept with JC! I could not stand her.
Kathy Baker's character pissed me off too. I know she meant well, but she was a TERRIBLE mother!
She would have pissed me off, if I was poor Joaqiun Phoenix. What a caulk-tease. And she was the least attractive of the 3.
shareShe was definitely my least favorite character. I get that she was supposed to be the plain sister but she had no substance. Even plain people should possess characteristics. The only thing about her character was her refusal to be like her sisters and engage in anything past kissing. I couldn't understand how she spent her adolescence keeping Doug away only to screw his brother, thereby becoming her sisters. After that moment I could barely stomach the rest of the movie. The infatuation with the past completely turned me off. The only person that was able to escape was Eleanor.
shareWelcome to the world of women. They give a perception that they have a decency about them with chastity, but when it comes down to it they don't. It only takes either a little time; a move from home; and them being stupid thinking that "Bruno Thug" right out of prison loves them and they all do it. Usually a few will mess up, feel bad, then change, but the ones who don't even screw up once are extremely rare. They themselves don't even know it and that's why they will come on here and try to rebute this, however this film says it all. They all eventually do what pam does. If the situation is right; they have been raised right and they have no bad influences then they might turn out pure for once, howver usually only 1 out 30 women will actually be able to not give in though.
shareI resent your post. I am a woman. And I don't necessarily equate decency with chastity. There's more to being a decent, morally upstanding person than abstaining from sex. I was also through with JC. Two sisters are bad enough without having sex with the third one - especially the one that your little brother is in love with.
shareYeah I just didn't understand why Pam had to do it with a guy like JC? I felt pissed off for Doug, but since this is a movie and movies want to play with your emotions, so it happened.
shareI think it was more that JC took advantage of her. He saw her drunk and he wanted to complete the trifecta. I don't think he really knew the extent of his brother's feelings for Pam until he made the derogatory comment to her in front of him.
shareI didn't mind Pam. Besides, her character is pretty much characterized as "the good girl" of the 3 girls. Jacey was a pretty much characterized as a jerk and hell bent on sleeping with the Abbot girls to get back at their dad. Besides, Jacey took advantage of her when she was drunk at a party. She regretted it. Given how Jacey was, I am inclined to believe her.
shareDamn! trinity....Did some woman kill your dog?
"a malcontent who knows how to spell"
I agree. I got this movie a while ago but after that scene, I stopped it and never watched it again. Ruined the movie for me. Same way "Rumor Has It" was.
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Yes, and what about Doug's initial infatuation with Eleanor even as Pam pursued him? At first he cruelly led Pam on, and Pam was smart enough to recognize it. She also had seen what had happened to her sisters.
You missed the point. This movie is all about misdirected passions and family history getting in the way of true love. It started with the parents and continued on to their children. Almost every person was blocked at every turn from getting together with the person they loved, and instead was forced to turn elsewhere.
Pam had by far the most substance of the three sisters. Yes, she kept Doug at a distance in their teen years. But by the time she got to college the history of what had happened up until then between the families and the opposition of her father made it look like she could never have a satisfying relationship with Doug. So she turned to Jacey even though she knew Doug was at Penn as well. She clearly never intended for Doug to find out. It wasn't about revenge.
At the end of the movie when they finally get together, she asks something along the lines of "How can we start over from the beginning given what each of us has done?". It was an acknowledgement that each of them had betrayed the other. Admitting that and understanding why each had done it became the foundation of their relationship going forward.
Yes, and what about Doug's initial infatuation with Eleanor even as Pam pursued him? At first he cruelly led Pam on, and Pam was smart enough to recognize it. She also had seen what had happened to her sisters.Precisely. Add to that the back and forth between the characters...being mad at each other.
Well, they did try to make her character more sympathetic than in the script.
In the script, she comes over to JC's to have sex and Doug just happens to be there. They had been sleeping together for weeks or even months. In other words, it wasn't just some some random night when she was drunk. Actually, I would have bought that more from her reaction than just some drunken night. And her coming over to talk to him. That was too contrived.
And the book is so different overall that it can't even be compared. It's more like the script, except she was in love with JC and extremely bitter about the relationship being over.
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Well, they did try to make her character more sympathetic than in the script.
Never read the book but from what you say I'd also prefer the movie's version of events.
sharePam and Doug were less sensible and sympathetic than they were pathetic. Pam has feelings for Doug which Doug should be aware of, but he never capitalizes on them. She wants to play hard-to-get in order to give the impression she is a decent girl and not like her sisters.
Doug is almost all too happy to oblige given he is your typical liberal Hollywood wussy-man putz who wouldn't make it in the real world. He doesn't know what to do when it comes to women and he can't get over Pam even though she apparently doesn't have anything going on for her besides coming from wealth; and Doug basically has nothing going on for him.
I don't know how he could even attract someone as bland as plain old Pam. If I was Doug I wouldn't have given her nearly as long to make the right decision under the guise of being "a good girl." Pam apparently had poor standards if that's the kind of guy she is attracted to. But hey, we get the essentially happy Hollywood ending we all wanted!!
Pam is a *beep* Bitch and was the worst one out of the abbott sisters.
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