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I don't get it why people are disturbed by this.


Okay, I've read a ton of the user comments on this movie, and the vast majority of comments talk about how these men are pure evil and how the movie is disturbing. But when I watched it, I wasn't disturbed at all. It seems like something that would happen every day. Chad just seemed like a lot of a**hole pricks that I've come across. I don't get it. Is that a sign of the times? Has society gotten so much worse in one decade to allow me to completely unphased by this? Maybe I missed something. Somebody, please tell me what's so special about this movie.

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It depends on the line of work you are in. I worked very briefly in the business world that this film depicts and now I'm in the field of medicine -- yes men do act like this, business men like those featured in the film and surgeons from my experience behave this badly toward women. So yes, I would count myself as one of those who was not floored by this movie and no I was not overhyped. I have since read the reviews and frankly, I'm rather surprised at the comparisons to Mamet. I think Labute's dialogue pales in comparison to Mamet's more colorful lines.

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Not only do I not understand what people think is disturbing about it, I can't tell why anybody even likes this movie. It was so utterly boring and pointless. I generally appreciate long takes over fast editing, but oh brother...this movie had scene after scene of the camera just sitting there while people talk and talk and talk.

Why does LaBute tell us up front what Chad is planning? That makes me sit through every scene with the knowledge of what they're trying to do to Christine. If I didn't know about it, I'd be as shocked and she's supposed to be when Howard tells her the truth in the car, and Chad dumps her in the hotel room. I might actually feel something; I'd have an emotional response to the events taking place in the movie. But I don't, because it's not about anything.

Then at the end, Howard asks Chad why he did this, and Chad says "Because I can." That doesn't really mean anything. What is his purpose? What did he expect to get out of it? He asks Howard "How does it feel to really hurt somebody?" What does he mean by that? He knows how it feels; it was his idea to to do it! Not only does he mess with Christine, he humiliates his friend and gets him demoted, apparently as punishment for having been promoted over him for this assignment. But he doesn't say "How's it feel to be hurt," He asks how it feels to have hurt someone else. Then Howard gets sick in the stairwell and goes to see Christine, but doesn't say anything to her. It's so stupid.

I don't see what anyone likes about this movie. It was boring, and meaningless, and never got its point across. People say it's cruel, and disturbing, and I might have agreed had the movie not told me up front what the characters planned to do, then spent an hour showing them doing it. If I had experienced it along with Christine, and Howard, I might have felt the cruelty. It's bad filmmaking.

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If you knew anything about filmmaking, you would know that it isn't wise to ever rely on a twist at the end. This film only does it to a degree. If LaBute hadn't told us upfront about the plan, he would have been playing a game himself with the viewers, as opposed to trying to make any point at all.

Movies like The Sixth Sense only work for people who don't guess the ending first-it's a dangerous way to make a movie. This movie would have sucked if he hadn't told us, therefore giving no insight and no characterization to these two men.

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Probably you've hit upon a distinction between "Hollywood" movies and "indie" films, such as "In the Company of Men" [ICM]. Hollywood movies tend to rely on the euphoria "typically" (I say this with a grain of salt) experienced by either a "feel good" or the usual, suspenseful "I gotta figure out" who-done-it ending. On the other hand, independent film-makers (who are usually the writers in most instances) rely on showing you a real "slice-of-life", as was done here in ICM, albeit in an "in your face" manner.

It has once been said by someone... don't specifically remember who... that Hollywood makes movies showing us how we all would like the world to be,
whereas independant films show us the world as it really is. So not leaving the audience guessing about the actual plans and motives of the male characters in ICM would be par for the course for an "indie" flick of this type.

However, LaBute does, in fact, throw in a completely unsuspecting twist at the end when he reveals that the entire ruse was devised by Chad to not only hurt Christine (who, considering the ending, I believe Chad felt to
be nothing more than collateral damage) but to also hurt Howard, his actual business rival in this flick. In fact, to me, I believe this to be what the film was consequentially all about: as humans, instinctually we have a survival sense about us that is mimicked biologically throughout the animal kingdom. Survival, in its rawest form in the animal kingdom, is usually a zero-sum, all-or-none game: you either win or lose, plain and simple. We humans can take it a notch above because not only can we physically win over another human being, we can also psychologically win as was poignantly displayed in ICM. I felt that what was shown to me in the end was a conquering effect that Chad displayed over Howard - Chad obviously won in the end. Putting all the pieces of the film together, what the film amounts to are business rivals having at it, although one, Howard, is not completely in the game as it were. By throwing in the amorous plot involving Christine, I believe LaBute is trying to draw corollaries between the "savagery" of business - even as refined as it is in this societally correct day and age - and the "savagery" of love.

As I commented on another ICM post, we all tend to forget most of the time that great societal motto:

"All is fair in love and war!"

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I didn't say anything about a twist ending. This is not a mystery/thriller.

What the movie fails to do is allow me to take the perspective of any major character. I know what Christine doesn't, so I can't identify with her, and I can't feel too bad for her because every time she's on screen, I know exactly what's going on, exactly what's being done to her, and unless I approve, which I'm certainly not supposed to, I won't feel anything about it. I can't identify with Chad, because I'm not an arrogant prick (or so I hope). I can't identify with Howard, because he's weak, and most people don't want to identify with a weak character, if his weakness is of his own doing, which is clearly the case here. If Chad had said, in the beginning, his wife left him and he wished there was some way he could get back at all the women for the way he'd been wronged, and left it at that, it would work a lot better. Because he wouldn't have specified EXACTLY WHAT HE PLANNED TO DO. When he spells it out, it's like a summary of the next hour of the movie. Why bother watching it? If he'd just said he wished he could get back at them, then they start this whole thing with Christine, and later reveal what they've been doing, it would have a much greater impact. Because we'd realize that we kind of knew all along that's what he might be doing, but we didn't want to believe it. But since he did tell us, not only do we definitely know it all along, we have no reason NOT to believe it.

It's bad writing.

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Wow! I'm not even sure I know where to start in responding to your last message post.

First, I'm not entirely certain of what you mean in your description of how the movie plays out. When you state, "Because he wouldn't have specified EXACTLY WHAT HE PLANNED TO DO. When he spells it out, it's like a summary of the next hour of the movie.", I'm a little confused by what you say because it's only at the end where it is revealed to us the true scope of Chad's plan -that is, his significant other had never left him in the first place.

Second, I'm not sure if you realize this but there really is no law that says if you watch a movie or film you must "identify with" or "take the perspective of any major character". In fact, the implication of either one of those phrases sometimes is a little vague to me - I guess the phrase "take the perspective...character" probably speaks to a method that a movie uses to remotely project an emotional state that a character is experiencing onto the audience. Usually, the best way for a film to do this is to tell the story through the eyes of one of its main characters - I offer "American Beauty" as evidence, but even this film remains out of the narrative tense for such long stretches of time, the audience can easily lose the perspective of the narrator [Kevin Spacey's character]. Usually, however, when a movie or film does this, there is some extraordinary quality of this narrator character's fate within the film that ultimately will be offered to the audience - basically, a remarkable insight of this character's fate. This could either be through a character transformation or a startling revelation or epiphany of sorts that this narrator character has experienced within the timeframe of the story. In fact, the narration-style of telling a story is probably the best device a writer could use to accomplish this.

In the case of LaBute's "In the Company of Men", it is not the fate of any one of the individual main characters that we are privy to in this story. It is the whole story as it is unfolds and is revealed to us that does the trick of allowing us, the audience, to view the entire range of the socio-dynamic forces at work here. It is really not that necessary to feel the pain of Christine's hurt by any of her words to us privately. By her actions and her fate in the movie, all of that should be implied - after all human nature is human nature since we've all experienced at one time or another this type of emotional pain [or for that matter the elation and anticipated power that being approached and then dated by two men would bring if you were a woman in Christine's shoes].

What this boils down to is that this movie has really little to do with how people feel and more to do with how people act and react in certain situations: in short, their behavior. We do get feelings, as moral beings [at least I hope we would], of repulsion at the plan hatched by Chad and then ultimately agreed upon by Howard. But I for one am intrigued and lured to watch more of how the three main characters of the film deal with situations as they arise after Chad and Howard put their deviouis plan to work. Personally speaking, this movie facilitates my perception and embracement of such morally important themes as social responsibility, accountability, control and, more importantly, self-control [why didn't Howard be morally accountable and just say NO! to Chad's plan - or at least be smart enough to say to Chad "Ya know, that's a great idea you've got there to get back at women - but I will go along only if we date SEPARATE women and then compare notes - after all two heads, and ergo two stories where we inflict great emotional pain on women that ultimately sometime down our wretched lives will make us feel better, are better than one!"].

These themes are there in all of their resplendant glory throughout this film. The twist at the end where Chad reveals that on his part nothing had changed between he and his significant other, making this a ruse all along for Howard's sake and torment, for me only drives the knife in deeper and harder, sometimes with a twisting motion, when it comes to make me take pause at how incredibly experienced some people are at controlling and manipulating others - and how vulnerable and spineless other people are at wanting to be controlled and manipulated.

This to me was what the movie was about - and you could take these themes all the way to their rock bottom origins of human nature if you so desired. Now, mrliteral, I concede that whether all of this strikes your particular fancy or not is a matter of personal taste. But to me, I believe what is really unarguable is that, for all the reasons I mention above, this film was a masterpiece of displaying and highlighting these themes simply because there was such a great synergistic and plausible interplay between plot and dialogue throughout its entirety.

Bravo and kudos to you, Mr. LaBute!

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I was disturbed Chad got away with it. No justice.

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I agree with opening post. I just didn't get it why this is considered such a disturbing movie, and I'm a female. People get screwed over every day. You can't ever make someone fall in love with you and thats why I thought it was a tad unbelievable, whether she was deaf or not. I was looking forward to seeing this film for a while. It was a complete let down. I guess I was looking for more evil characters, almost on a Patrick Bateman level after what I heard. But no, they were just run of the mill jerks.

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It is disturbing that Chad not only got away with it, but it is also disturbing that he felt no kind of guilt for what he had done to the poor girl. He just didn't care. The man had the traits of a sociopath.

American Psycho is more disturbing and Patrick Bateman was psychotic, but In the Company of Men shows a human being's numbness and apathy for another person's feelings.

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I guess to each his own...why some people like vanilla and others prefer chocolate.

I found what they did to the deaf woman incredibly cruel, including when Howard yells at her about being handicapped. The film crossed a line in cruelty which I rarely see in films, and I applaud LaBute for doing so, even though it upset me so much.

Some people compare this to "The Business of Strangers" with Stockard Channing and Julia Stiles. That film did not cross a line, and quite frankly, that's why it wasn't as good.

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