I am talking about the scene right after they dump the Ben into the water. Barry forces them to make a pact to never speak of the act again. When Julie hesitates, he grabs her by the throat and throws her against the car and intimidates her. All Ray does is get close to them and say: "Barry let her go!" Why doesn't he throw him off of her? He doesn't seem to be a very protective boyfriend.
Would you have responded different?
Personally, I think Julie is rather annoying, so I didn't mind how Barry treated her. But Ray is the worst boyfriend for not sticking up for her. I guess he really just felt the same way as Barry and also wanted Julie to agree with the pact. How different from Barry who jumped into the water to get his girlfriend's crown (although one could argue he didn't want to leave behind any evidence).
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You think someone deserves to be choked for being "annoying?"
It seems your morals are screwed up.
and choking someone for wanting to own up to their mistake in order to protect your own ass is not just malice aforethought but also borderline sociopathic.
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Being "annoying" is still not a reason to assault someone
he assaulted her
Being drunk is no excuse for being malicious
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Which means you think it is alright to assault someone if they "annoy" you.
He put his hands around her throat in an attempt to squeeze the breath out of her lungs.
This is like blaming alcohol or drugs for a murderer's actions. It doesn't fly in real life. Barry being drunk is no excuse for his behavior.
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No, it isn't different. Justifications for bad behavior of fictional characters spill over into the real world (see Walter White).
You are the one ranting and raving like a madman.
That's a typical straw man argument that has no bearing over this discussion
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All I said is that your morals must be screwed up and that you think it is okay to assault someone for being annoying, which is what your statement indicated
You are still bitching
You accused me of crying, but based on your overemotional posts
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Rebutting false accusations is not ranting. Obviously you don't know the definition of the word. Doesn't surprise me, since you keep misinterpreting everything I say.
shareBarry is clearly a psychopath. His behaviour is not that of a normal person. He has no guilt about killing someone just the consquences and hasn't a shred of empathy. He clealy sees other people as objects.
Why is there always some nutjob out to defend evil fictional characters?
Why is there always some nutjob without a life getting upset over what other people say about fictional characters. Go cry somewhere else, you idiot.
shareI actually thought about this before, and you have to understand Ray's position. He was in no position to take a stand at that point. He could not have stopped Barry physically, he would have gotten beat down. He was also vulnerable as he was not rich like the other kids, so if he pissed off the others they could all have pinned it on him and he would not have gotten out of it (this is complicated by the fact that he was driving). And secretly he may have agreed with Barry's actions. At that point as he said they were all going down for manslaughter even though it was an accident (especially him as the driver with no high priced attorney). So he was in the position where they had to cover it up completely, or he was toast. So that is the reason why he and Julie eventually broke up I'm sure, but there was really very little he could have done there. I probably would have reacted the same way.
shareHow could he or they pin it on Ray when it was Barry's car that hit him? Plus Max was a witness that they were all together and the car was already smashed up. Sorry, not buying that angle.
shareHow could he or they pin it on Ray when it was Barry's car that hit him?
I don't agree that it's always right, but yeah, the driver takes 99% of the blame in about 99% of the occurrences no matter who's car it was. The fact that Barry fell on him and distracted him in the car would not have been an acceptable excuse. And Max did not really witness anything, he saw the car cashed up after the fact but could not have had any idea who was driving and did not even know they hot someone. The witnesses at the beach party could have been in position to railroad Ray too, they seen Barry was drunk when leaving and then presumably seen Ray get in the driver's seat. So Barry maybe would have been nailed for underage drinking but that is all.
In all seriousness in a real situation if this happen today as bad as it sounds what probably would have happen is someone other then Ray would have called 911 with a cell phone after the accident, and when the police arrived all three others would have caved and gave the story that Ray was driving them home, driving too fast around a turn and ran someone over. This would especially be true if it were three rich kids and the driver was the one "commoner", as it was in the movie. It is too bad but most teens are not nearly as loyal to each other as they were in this film, making the cover-up and everything they did the next Summer admirable in some ways. Julie was clearly the most effected by it as she cut off from the rest of the group first and screwed up enough mentally that it effected her in college, but they all took a personal toll, nobody turned into the things they aspired to be when leaving high school.
Even if Ray got beaten down, it would still be man enough to take a shot. Still, I do think Ray wanted Julie to agree to the pact as well.
shareBarry owned Ray, thus Ray's wimpy retort.🐭
shareBarry owned Ray, thus Ray's wimpy retort.