The House of . . . What?


Didn't anyone else recognize that 'The House of Yes' is a loose reflection on Edgar Allen Poe's short story 'The Fall of the House of Usher'?

Poe's story 'The Fall of the House of Usher' (from now on: TFOTHOU) was about a brother and sister (Roderick and Madeline) who live in a big mansion and were both insane. Why? Because their family, for generations, was inbred: their parents were siblings, their parents' parents were siblings, and so on. Because they are both mentally and physically ill, they remain in the house at all times and are cut off from society. As the last scions of the Usher lineage, therefore, the only chance they have to continue the family is to reproduce together - to committ incest. This destiny, along with faulty genetics due to inbreeding, is what drives them both insane.

NOW.

MacLeod's play and Waters's movie 'The House of Yes' (from now on THOY) presents a similar (but definitely not the exact same - like I said, it is a loose reflection) situation: two incestuous, insane siblings (Marty and Jackie O.) in a big house cut off from society (at least Jackie O. still is). But this is not all that convinces me of the connection. I only saw the movie for the first time a couple of weeks ago and have since watched it 5 or 6 more times, each time recognizing more that relates to the Poe story. Since I'm at work right now and technically not supposed to be writing this, haha, I will just briefly discuss the first obvious point on which the connection between the two stories was made obvious to me:

THE HOUSE

In TFOTHOU, the house is the strongest symbol. The "house of Usher" is the house itself, but it is also the family line, as well as Roderick's mind. The house is deteriorating, crumbling, just like the family line and Roderick's mind. The windows of the house are likened to vacant eyes - specifically, Roderick's eyes, the windows to his similarly vacant soul. At the end of the story, he dies, and the house finally collapses and crumbles. How poetic (Poetic? Ha.)!

In THOY, the house is also a symbol of the family line, as they all live exclusively in it (except for Marty - even he, for the most part, lives there exclusively). More importantly, the house symbolizes Marty's mind. Notice at the beginning of the hurricane, Jackie O. puts Xs over the windows? These are like cartoon Xs over the dead man's eyes, letting us know from the beginning that Marty (as soon as we recognize him as the central character which the house symbolized) will die at the end. And how appropriate that Jackie O. puts the Xs on the windows, since she is the one who kills him. Also, as there is a lot of debate on whether or not she actually killed him or is just delusional: I use this image of X-ed windows to decide that she does, in fact, shoot him and he does, in fact, die.

Also, interesting to me is that at the very end of the movie, after Jackie O. explains what happened (or did it? No one can be sure, but I believe it did.), we follow Lesley running away, and then where do we turn? The camera zooms directly into the front door of the house, entering darkness. HERE is the first time we really get to look inside Marty's mind! And what do we find? The truth: Marty provoked Jackie O., perhaps even seduced her, and maybe - just maybe! - drove her insane.

SO!

If anyone else is familiar with both of these stories and wants to discuss more similarities between them and references to TFOTHOU in THOY, please reply! I've got a few other ideas and want to know more, because I am sure I am missing some things.

reply

[deleted]

[deleted]

Wow...I think that's really creepy. I'm not a medical professional, but I think you need help.

reply

random aside for flurng. there's a revenge tragedy called tis pity she's a whore...deals with incest.you can google it. think the playwright was Ford.there may be a movie of it. regardless of how disgusted you are by the idea of incest (or not in your case) you find yourself drawn to the lovers in the play..and sadly there's is one of the few affairs that actually looks like love and not obsession or possesion in the work. being a revenge tragedy there's a fair amount of blood in it too.sorry the english major in me couldn't resist. and the revenger's tragedy which is definately a film..hints at the possibility

reply

u rely r weird,u do know that incest is wrong,rite?

sigh,our poor society.....

reply

I wouldn't say "society" seeing as how our society is totally against incest.

Honestly though, I agree with most of you in that incest is wrong. However, if one of my friends were to say he and his sister were in love with one another, I'd support them because being in a relationship with someone you are so closely related to has to be one of the most difficult things in the entire world. I am probably saying that because I am gay and I know what it is like to have the majority of the world against me.

reply

yeah,i guess i didnt mean society,but some of the ppl IN society,good eye.

btw,sry lunar,about ur dilema,it cant be easy.

reply

[deleted]

LunarGlow20 i'm gay and if one of my friends told me they had feelings of a romantic and or sexual nature for any one related to them i would not be supportive. and as for your relating being homosexual to incestuous relationships is rather bigoted. reminds me of what all the bible thumpers say.

reply

Hey thank you for this fascinating post. It inspired me to read "The Fall of the House of Usher" on Project Gutenberg at work the other day (I obviously don't have a very demanding job, lol), and I really enjoyed the story. Creepy as hell! I am an English Lit. major, but for some reason never got into Poe. I think that might change now.

As to whether or not "Fall" had any influence on "The House of Yes".... I DO see remarkable similarities. The importance of the actual dwelling in both the story and film is very intersting. The house takes on a life of its own (and is almost a character in itself) in both, and you'll notice that "The House of Yes" is very stagey. The entire plot takes place within the same dwelling that has for so long housed all of the siblings' dark secrets. Same thing with Poe's story--the house almost seems to be alive with the ghosts of its dark history.

Tori Spelling's character is like the narrator in "Fall"--both innocent outsiders who are brought in to each of the "houses" to provide the voice of reason in a isolated world full of totally loopy people. We need them there for the purpose of comparision, or else we might get sucked into the world of Marty and Jackie O or Roderick and Madeline, and fall under their spell. They are the voices of normalcy.

Also. At the end of "Fall", the narrator runs out of the house after the deaths of the siblings and the literal collapse of the House of Usher. Tori's character runs out of the house after the death of Marty and what can be called a figurative collapse of that household. Both characters entered a new world when they entered the houses, and returned to the real world when they left.

Wow. Well if I never get a job with my English degree, I suppose I could always write long-winded posts on the IMDB message boards. haha.

Thanks again for the insightful post, Roguekingofnothing.



"I always have a place at the Dairy Queen."

reply

The house being the personification or at least, the symbol for Marty’s mind is probably an integral point to further appreciate the movie’s undertones. I am not familiar with “The House of Usher” but you made an interesting issue regarding the house and its relationship to the characters.

The blackout before Jackie confesses their true relationship to Anthony is maybe, a representation of Marty’s apprehensiveness toward disclosing such a taboo relationship to public, even to his own brother. And to a lesser note, those candles, they are perhaps a little too obvious of an image that pertains to what may happen in that particular night. The final scene (a close-up of Jackie with a malicious smile) left a thought that yes, Marty probably initiated their relationship but it seems that it may have gone longer and earlier than what the film initially portrays. Meaning, that they may have (metaphorically) started this since birth, recalling what Mrs. Pascal told Leslie at the kitchen “Jackie was holding Marty’s penis at birth” – more or less to that extent.

Even though it was not mentioned, if we argue that there are similarities with “House of Usher” and “House of Yes” then probably I can accept the unusual mental behavior of Jackie, Anthony, Marty and even Mrs. Pascal. Perhaps, with House of Usher being a influential material, all of House Pascal were, at some point in time, were inbreeds.

Regardless, this was a fascinating movie with an outstanding script.

Marty: One day I woke up stupid.
Jackie O: What did you do?
Marty: I slept.

reply

"The House of Yes" : The "house" or house hold aka family where everyone says "yes". There are no rules and the children and the mother get whatever they want. No one ever tells them "no"...That is until Marty comes home with Leslie. This is an act of Marty saying "no" to Jackie. From this point on the house, or family falls apart.

I love this movie! One of my top three of all time!

I love the play too!

reply

I'm reading it again because of this. :)

He said it's all in your head, and I said, so's everything--
But he didnt get it.

reply

i totally agree, and it definitely intrigues me.

"i'd rather break my ankle in a million places than cause you any pain."
~Boy Meets World <3

reply

The house of what the F was going on, Why where all the characters dumb and slow??? This movie was dumb all together...


I am the son of a man named Tom.

reply