I don't blame Claudia one bit.
Lily was a spoilt little brat! Claudia tried for 9 years and all she got was lily being ungrateful and sour. Then in the middle of Claudia singing in walks the little brat and steals the spotlight. Lily causes Claudia so much stress and anxiety that she goes into labour and loses her baby.
I feel sorry for Claudia. What did she do to deserve being treated that way by lily? She didn't kill her mother.
I agree. I felt angry towards Lily as well. Of course Claudia ended up being a real monster....but Lily wasn't a very sympathetic "Snow White".
shareInteresting take. I had similar impressions. Kitty's comment calls into question what this tale is really about. Why did the Grimm brothers write it? Not having read a scholarly critique, I walked away with the message that, in growing up, Claudia learns to become human. She faces many tests throughout the tale and doesn't always (or often) do the right thing.
Must also say that this film has stood the test of time VERY well. Saw it last evening in a television rebroadcast, and it looked contemporary, not 15 years old. It is not merely visually spectacular and well acted but also remains faithful to the story, calling out the important plot points.
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"First do no harm, then have all the fun you can endure!"
Um..First, Claudia kept Lily as a child and second.. Claudia's mirror killed Lily's nanny. She was there so obviously, Lily knew that there something wrong with Claudia.
shareUm, wasn't lily a child? Atleast an early teens, but what is wrong about her dressing her in modest clothing. And the mirror killed the nanny not Claudia.
shareWell, I don't know how old she was supposed to be but Monica keena was about 17 years old when this was made. Also, there was nothing wrong with her mother's dress .. It was pretty modest to me.But the most important thing is what happened to her nanny. Also, even though she knew something was clearly wrong with Claudia, she apologized to her and seemed to be very upset about the fact that she lost her child.
shareThere was nothing wrong with the dress given to her by Claudia. She only wore the other dress out of spite, and she picked a dress that she knew would remind everyone of her mother, and to make her entrance while Claudia was singing. And Claudia is not the mirror, it is made clear they were not one and the same. The mirror simply exploited Claudia in her time of weakness. In the nine years that Claudia was there she did no harm to anyone and tried to build a relationship with her stepdaughter but was rebuffed. So there wasn't always something wrong with her, she went crazy after her stillborn child and the mirror exploited her.
Wether the mirror is Claudia or not is not the issue to me because Claudia brought it with her. (she also knew that her mother was a witch or something like that).
Aside from that,I know there was nothing wrong with the dress that was given to her and,if you take a look, Lili actually wore it in the scene where she apologizes.
Anyway,at the end of the day, Lili can be seen as spoiled brat but she never meant to hurt anyone. I guess I just like this version of Snow white because she is way more complex than the Disney character or the Kristen Stewart version (both are saint like). Monica Keena's Snow white has flaws and scars and so she seems more human than the other versions. I mean, even though she's beautiful, she's not perfect and that's more appealing to me.
I do agree that this adaptation is much more interesting than the ones that have saint snow white and the simply vain and evil stepmother. I always had the impression that her mother was something of an outcast who was unkind to Claudia. I thought that Claudia wanted to distance herself from that a marry a good guy and have a family and be happy unlike her mother. However, when she married lord Hoffman and Lilly and was kind to her and tried to make Lilly into aher daughter she was rebuffed. Then when looses her own child, partially because of Lilly, and can't have anymore pushed her off the deep end.
shareI thought that Claudia wanted to distance herself from that a marry a good guy and have a family and be happy unlike her mother. However, when she married lord Hoffman and Lilly and was kind to her and tried to make Lilly into aher daughter she was rebuffed. Then when looses her own child, partially because of Lilly, and can't have anymore pushed her off the deep end.
Eh, not really. Claudia was indeed vain about her appearance but she was still a good person. She endured 9 years trying to get pregnant and with Lilly rejecting her while she was kind. Lilly caused the stress that sent her into an early labor and while she was weak and vulnerable the mirror took that advantage. Nothing prior suggests that Claudia was evil otherwise they would have showed it. After her child was lost her mind went with it. Not being able to have a son for her husband and with her hatred of Lilly, she put all her crazy energy into getting rid of her. The glee you speak of is from her insanity, she was no longer the women she was prior to losing the baby. I can't make any sense of the last part. What remorse would she have felt? Her change wasnt due to magic it was trauma. She snapped and never came back and the mirror played on her weakness after losing the baby.She is taking joy from killing her enemy who brought her pain. When Claudia arrived she had nothing but good intentions, she wasnt always evil.
shareMonica keena was about 17 years old when this was made.
What's your point ? Keena's Lily didn't get along with Claudia either.
shareMy point is, from 12 to 17 she was a kid/teen. She wasn't all that bratty, either, she was simply exhibiting normal kid/teen behaviors. Hardly a good case for murder attempts.
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Exactly... A lot of people seem to hate Snow White in this because... She's more realistic. --'
shareShe was a bitch as a little girl who grew into a teenaged one. She only wanted to make amends when it was too late.
shareNo she was a little girl who lost her mother AND her nanny ,the woman who raised her, arguably because of Claudia. She grew up into a beautiful teen who didn't care much for her step mother but who never wanted to hurt her either.
shareShe had no memory of her mother so that can only stretch so far. It is not like she knew her mother and she had recently died and then Claudia showed up. She never knew her so, that idea is deflated. Lillyanna had more hand in the nanny demise than Claudia. Had she behaved like a decent child an not thrown the water in Claudia face and ran off into Claudia's room, it would not have happened. Claudia had nothing to do with the nanny's death so your "arguably" is shot down. I don't know why you are defending the "beautiful teen" who had been nothing but cruel to a women who tried to befriend her and had done nothing to her.
shareI'm defending her because I see her as a three dimensional character, I have other arguments but I don't care to share them anymore. Anyway, I don't pick fights over fictional characters with people. You have your opinion (and a superiority complex issue going on apparently) and I have mine. Take care. Ta Ta.
shareBlah, blah, so you point is lost and IIt does not matter what you would have had to say. Superiority complex? I see a Losers cop-out with you.
shareAh, so being a malignant bitch to her step mother for nine years of kindness on Claudia's part is completely acceptable and normal? Also, you really cant use the "hardly a good case of murder" because that is not why Claudia went after her. Stop downplaying the girls behavior.
shareMalignant bitch? I remember two incidents. The throwing of water occurred when she was twelve, and would have merited some form of punishment, perhaps grounding, though as a brand new stepmother I would have preferred to try to build a relationship with the kid first. The dress incident was a typical teenage declaration of independence, "I want to pick my own dress," which called for some form of negotiation about what she wanted and was her desired dress suitable for her age and occasion, not a passive-aggressive playing victim because stepdaughter didn't want to roll over and do exactly as mommies dearest commanded. Again, nothing worthy of murder, at least not in my world. I was more appalled by the stepmother's behavior, playing tug-of-war over dad with a twelve year old kid as if she were a kid herself. Being a stepmother requires maturity.
shareAnd what tug of war was Claudia playing? Where I come from it would be a big punishment to behave as the little girl did, wouldn't have crossed our minds. It is clear that Claudia came there with nothing but good intentions. Don't play ignorant, we are supposed to be under the impression that the girl was indeed wrong and that Claudia was trying to build a good relationship. We also know she only decided to play nice after Claudia lost the baby otherwise she would not have had no reason to apologize. She admitted to being cruel, so your argument loses any validity. Come back when you have a decent defense.
sharewe are supposed to be under the impression that the girl was indeed wrong and that Claudia was trying to build a good relationship.