How did Vincent get to space in the end? Wasnt his facade figured out in the end, thus not being able to go the space. But he did go to space. Did i miss something?
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What you missed is that Dr. Lamar (the Gattaca doctor), who had an "de-gene-rate" son of his own, turned out to have always been sympathetic to Vincent and that he had figured out Vincent's secret from the beginning; and he simply gave Vincent a free pass.
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Ah, okay, yeah i missed that, thanks for pointing it out
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I disagree respectfully. I think Dr. Lamar had a valid son, but was promised perfection, which he did not achieve. The brain isn't changed, just the genes. Same thing with Jude Law, who could not accept that he was only second place. I think a lot of people were lied to, being promised absolutely perfect 1st place children.
shareI agree that Dr. Lamar's son was probably a Valid, which means that he was genetically engineered (like Eugene, and Vincent's brother) and not a "faith birth" or "God-child". But despite being engineered, he probably turned out to have a "flawed"/"undesired" genetic profile and hence a rather low "Genetics Quotient", that's why Dr. Lamar says "he's not all they promised him to be" and why (according to me) he would be called a "De-gene-erate".
(According to their profiles, Jerome/Eugene has a GQ of 9.8612 and Vincent has a GQ of 3.4071. Vincent's brother must have a GQ much higher than Vincent's but quite lower than Eugene's, that's why he wasn't good enough for the Gattaca programme although he could still become a police detective.)
Eugene's "flaw" was that he lost all motivation after he spent a life believing he was meant to be a winner and eventually lost a swimming tournament: he became a psychological wreck. Dr. Lamar says that his son "is a big fan of Jerome/Vincent" and "wants to work at Gattaca", which means that psychologically the son is still healthy (he still has motivation); and also that "who knows what he might achieve one day", which means the son is still quite young; much younger than Eugene and Vincent. He doesn't have the age yet to already have achieved (or failed at) something.
So the issue with Dr. Lamar's son seems to be that although he's young, psychologically healthy and genetically engineered, the institutions/schools won't let him pursue what he wants because of something in his genetic profile (and possibly also in his apparent physical condition).
His son proves to Dr. Lamar that the whole "Gattaca system" is severely flawed in its basis (the genetics engineers make promises that they can't keep, they are "playing god" but actually don't have real control over genes and over how a person will physically develop). That explains why Dr. Lamar doesn't strictly adhere to the system, and why he's willing to step over the rules and give someone like Vincent the benefit of the doubt.
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I think your argument actually proves my point. For all we know, given the offers mentioned to Vincent's parents, they could have chosen to have Anton be a superior athlete, or scientist, or whatever. They only stuck with coloring, health, and basic eugenics. So everyone who buys the whole package is told that their child will be a winner, and the children are brought up that way, so when they hit a wall, they can't take it. Dr, L's son might have a less important job at Gattaca, but they still will not take an in-valid (love the word-play), so he must be a Valid.
shareI never said that Dr. Lamar's son was an In-Valid.
There's no sign that Dr. Lamar's son had hit a (psychological) wall; on the contrary, there's evidence that he actually had *not* hit a wall, because he (the son) is still positive that he can get a job at Gattaca. Gattaca only recruits the best, as Dr. Josef explained rather snarkily to Anton (Vincent's brother).
The son might suffer from some genetic or physical "flaw" that became apparent immediately after birth, but that had been undetected before birth. There's no reason to assume that the son had been brought up with false expectation that he was a winner and then became depressed after being confronted with the real limitations of his (physical or mental) capabilities.
Based on Dr. Lamar's reaction, it seems (at least to me) more natural to conclude that he was talking about how his son is not even getting the chance to prove himself, rather than that the son had proven himself to be unsuitable for a Gattaca job.
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Sorry, thought you did from this phrase :
why (according to me) he would be called a "De-gene-erate".
Actually, a de-gene-erate was a person who was illegally passing themselves off as a valid.
shareIt was no 'free pass'. He earned it. The doctor just saved him from losing all that he had fairly earned. Actually, more fairly than others who had their genes manipulated from before conception.
shareLamar might've given Vincent a "free pass" ... at the beginning of training.
Lamar's attitude at the end makes it clear that he's known the truth for quite some time. In fact, it seems like we're never shown a time when Lamar did NOT know. Like Caesar (Ernest Borgnine's character), he sees Vincent for who and what he is, not as a genetic profile.
Or, alternatively, maybe Lamar's just scientifically interested in Vincent's performance; he wants to see what pure willpower can accomplish.
Either way, it's evident Lamar isn't a fan of genetic predestination.
Lamar is evidence not everyone favors the status quo, calling into question the ethics surrounding him.
He is the voice that penetrates the proverbial darkness, opposing injustice through civil disobedience.
Society always needs people like him to act as a counterbalance when narrow definitions of individuals take hold in civilization.
~~/o/