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FAQ about this movie from a Chicago native...


IMO, i think this guy is a fraud, and i doubt he's even from Chicago. I think he googled some gang info,maybe knew some people or relatives that were locked up and invented a story and tried to make it his own. The only thing accurate about this movie is " a first time felon drug dealer gets locked up and goes to boot camp and has trouble getting a job".

The gang slang and handshakes were inaccurate, people from chicago don't talk country like that,His whole county prison experience was inaccurate,This entire film was filmed in Mississippi ( If you're from chicago, why film it in Mississippi and give the characters country accents?). His name is not known anywhere in Chicago, or his street name.

I believe (along with other chicago natives) this guy is a fraud and invented, or took someone elses story to make money, cause the authenticity of this film is a joke.

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I also thought it sounded country too, me being from Texas he sounded like he was from here!

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I hear you on some of these things but not all. First of all do you mean Greg Yance making up a story? It's possible that he fabricated parts of his story. But if we're just going by the movie they usually embellish the story to fit their fancy. So final decisions about the script, direction etc wouldn't be up to Greg Yance, if they even consulted him much.

Second, the screenwriter is from Chicago or at least was born there. I'm not sure where they were going with the accents. The only thing I can assume is they were going for the type of voice that R. Kelly has. They should have just done without them. I really can't recall how many people had accents except for epps. If it was only Epps then maybe his family was from elsewhere. Who knows? I'll have to watch it again, somehow.

As far as the gang signs, I wouldn't think they would use actual gang signs.

Like I said, he wouldn't be in control of many of the things you mentioned. He can't pick where they shoot, how the actors should sound, or even basic plots points. The only thing he can do is give them his story (or A story) and sign the rights to it over to the filmmakers. Oh and collect his check of course.

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My pastor is a black guy from Chicago and he almost doesn't sound black...of course he has an Oberlin College education and has a master's degree from someplace else. I live near Cleveland and the black people in the city where I live for the most part don't sound country...but if you go into Cleveland, there really are black people who have more southern sounding accents...like maybe a lot of them came to Cleveland and Chicago from Alabama and Mississippi and places like that. I guess there are some older black people here who came from down south...and some of them do sound more southern than their kids and grandkids who grew up here. I do have a young friend who is 27 years old and is a pastor of a church he just founded (and he is black). He sounds kind of southern but his wife is from California and she doesn't sound southern at all. Her speech isn't much different from a white person's speech...and she pastors alongside her husband also...and is also under 30 years old.

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Um, you seem to be confusing sounding "southern" with sounding "black" exclusively. There are white people who sound Southern as well. And of course different accents therein. So I'm confused as to the point you're trying to make.




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Well, no, not really...because there are black people who don't sound southern at all. My friend Frank is a 23-year-old black man that doesn't really sound southern because he was born and raised in northern Ohio just like me. He has an associate degree from a local community college, and he doesn't really sound like most of the young black men he grew up with. As a matter of fact, I noticed that Jo D. Jónz, who played Peter "Pookie" Jackson in this movie, didn't sound southern as much as Treach and Omar Epps did. Omar Epps didn't sound as southern as Treach did though. I believe that the original poster in this thread that brought up the issue of the people sounding southern was referring to black people anyway.

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Hmm, well I reread your other post and I think it might have been your first sentence or so that threw me off the most. The "talking black" part made my mind go another way when I read the rest of your post. I think I get what you're trying to say now. Although I still think I'm confused. Are you saying your friend grew up in a primarily black neighborhood? Or maybe you mean he grew up in a place without many opportunities, I see you mentioned his education a couple times. Anyway, I'm aware some black people don't have Southern accents, I'm from the South and where I live many of us (of all colors) don't have the Southern accent.

I don't remember what "Pookie" sounded like but I do recall (a bit) what Epps and Treach's accents sounded like and I thought Treach's was mostly just atrocious. I kid. But I didn't really think it was appropriate, though I'm certainly no expert on Chicagoans.




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My friend Frank (who is African American and of whom I spoke previously) was born here in Ohio just like me. There are a few words that may come out sounding Southern when he speaks, like "I," "my," etc. But for the most part he has the Midwestern accent that the white people here have. My pastor (31 years old) is about 8 years older than Frank and is a black man from Chicago, and has an Oberlin College education, so he doesn't sound real "Southern" either. Of course my pastor also went to a mostly white Catholic high school in Chicago, so he learned to change his speech early. As for Frank growing up in an area without many opportunites...that young man has learned to create his own opportunities. He lived a life similar to that of Greg Yance as a teenager, but he found his way out of that by the time he was 19 years old when he turned his life over to God. Frank is married now and has a stepdaughter...and they really make a beautiful family. My pastor, whom I've actually known since he was a freshman at Oberlin College 14 years ago, and his wife (who is also my pastor and also attended Oberlin) have 4 little boys, ages 2, 4, 5 and 9. They are also a beautiful family.

"I'd be very happy to be myself if I could remember who I am. Who am I?"

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Thank you for the response. I enjoyed reading it. I guess it's just that I'm used to people of all different colors sounding different ways. Of course there are general rules and you could probably fit most or many people into those boxes. But it's not uncommon to hear someone who is black sounding closer to what many might say a white person sounds like. That always gets sticky though. It partly depends on where you grew up, your parents, friends, what school you went to. I would say most of the young people don't technically have the Southern accent (it's more neutral, you coukdn't really tell where we are from) but if you went in more rural areas they do. But of course even some of the older people have it even in the bigger cities so it's a mixed bag. Not to mention some people slip back into the Southern accent around family without even realizing it. Well, I've gone on long enough now, haha.

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I am also a big fan of the show ER, and there were a couple of characters on the show (one was a doctor and the other was her cousin) that were of Indian (not American Indian) descent, but because both grew up in England, they had British accents. I thought they sounded kind of neat talking that way, because at least you could understand them as opposed to an Indian doctor from India with the Punjabi accent. So they might say something like, "Bloody wanker!" In addition to having British accents, those two young women were very attractive.

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I'm a Ch-itown native (raised in the Chicago Housing projects) The movie was a little 'off' but not that hard to believe. I gave Omar Epps and Treach a 'pass' because they are not Chicagoans so they might not get everything right. Yeah, the slang had me raising an eyebrow but…it was just a movie so I didn't expect it to be 100% accurate, I'm sure neither the REAL Vice Lords or Disciples would allow too much of their lifestyles to be portrayed onscreen, they are not Hollywood gangs like Bloods and Crips.

2nd, many Black Chicagoans DO have a southern drawl in their speech (especially those from the West side of Chicago) it comes from the fact that many of us are only about 2 generations removed from the southern states when many of our families migrated here from the south, the southern accent does exist, it was just too pronounced in this movie.

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If he is a fraud, then he apparently also had the New York Times fooled: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/05/us/did-time-fought-flood-willing-to-work.html

...In other words, I don't think he was a fraud. More likely is the people who converted his story into a movie were not as familiar as he with that part of society.


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