by - scvirus (Sat Oct 1 2005 20:23:07 )
You need to learn a bit of history there alastairward. If it wasn't for the (p)IRA, there wouldn't even be municiple home rule.
Incorrect. Actually, in effect, it was the IRA that brought down our home rule. Northern Ireland, from the time that the Free State was created, was the first region of the United Kingdom to have its own devolved government.
In fact, it wasn't even the IRA that put a stop to that - it was basically Ian Paisley.
"Raise tensions? ARE YOU CRAZY, when the IRA stopped doing anything in the late 60s the tensions, the riots the violence against Catholics was at its worst,"
.. and the violence and riots against the Protestants were what.. non-existant?
Stop talking through your arse.
"and now that the provos have disarmed guess what happened WORST RIOTS IN 10 YEARS. The IRA were the only thing keeping the loyalists from open violence."
Rubbish. The reason why the rioting escalated was because the Civil Right Movement was infiltrated by the IRA. Why do you think that so many Protestant people, who were actually members of NICRA (Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association) left it? Instead of a campaign for equal rights and recognition of the difficulties of a particular group of people, the IRA turned it into a campaign for a 32-county socialist republic.
"Now that the IRA disarmed the loyalist paramiltaries stopped even faking to be on ceasefire."
Who said they were faking? You? As far as I could tell, the organisation that announced a ceasefire had stopped, except that they got involved in an 'internal' war.
"I'm not defending many recent IRA tactics, but clearly as a whole the IRA is nessicary as long as loyalists feel the need to attack Catholics."
And by that logic, the UVF and the UDA are necessary as long as republicans feel the need to attack Protestants.
"The guerilla warfare practised by the IRA was designed to
1. kill RUC (because they were basicly a state-sponsered loyalist paramilitary)"
No - they were the legitimate police force of Northern Ireland.
"2. kill British Army (in order to get there families to demand for them to come home, this was only an official policy after bloody sunday and the british army were designated a main target instead of just people in the way)"
You mean those same British soldiers that were reinforced in Northern Ireland in order to protect the Roman Catholics from the much larger, surounding Protestant areas..? Those ones? The same ones that were given tea and biscuits on the Falls Road by Roman Catholics?
"3. make the 6 counties ungovernable (this is were 'terrorism' tactics were used,"
There's no need for the single quotes around the word terrorism. Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism.
"the purpose of these are to force the british govt/6 counties govt to negotiate,"
The British government AND the Northern Ireland government (Northern Ireland happens to contain six counties - we CAN all count you know!) were constantly attempting to change the situation for the better. Nothing short of a 32-county socialist republic was good enough for the Provisional IRA. That is why it split from the Official IRA in 1969.
Now we have the Provisional IRA becoming less fanatical, and more embracing of democratic means to their end, and we have the 'Real' IRA and the Continuity IRA fanatics splitting off from the PIRA.
History repeats itself.
"england was attacked when sinn fein started negotiating because they stopped caring about NI, these have been the most successful in forcing the NI govt and British govt to comprimise,"
Yet again you are in error. The British government and the Northern Ireland government had attempted to right many wrongs. For example, when the Free State was set up, and Northern Ireland formed its government, there were 3,000 places offered by statute for members of the police force - renamed from the Royal Irish Constabulary to the Royal Ulster Constabulary - 2,000 or so of which were quickly filled. Very few Roman Catholics applied for the remaining positions. Having left the jobs open for a while in attempt to attract more Catholics into the force, they ultimately had to fill the positions with people who were willing to apply. Attempts were made to attract Roman Catholics into the police during the 1970s, which the IRA thwarted by a campaign of intimidation and murder: Catholics were afraid to join. This played nicely into the IRA's hands, so that they could call the discrimination card, even though it was they who brought about that situation.
"free derry, although not alone, got municiple home rule, and some basic voting rights, attacks on civilians on England forced the british govt the the table etc)."
The people of Northern Ireland always had voting rights. The elections were modelled on the English system. The situation regarding "one man, one vote" was brought about by the fact that, as in the English system, business owners could register a vote for each business they owned. This was changed decades ago, thanks to the Northern Ireland government.
The person who is responsible for bringing Sinn Féin/IRA to the negotiating table (even though the whole thing had already been negotiated and accepted back in 1920), was John Hume of the SDLP.
You need to learn a bit of history, scvirus.