animal abuse


Someone please convince me that that dead dogs in the film were not killed for this purpose. In any case, they should not have been used and caused me to leave the theater in tears. This is outrageous.

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Thanks for your response. I am still concerned because the Humane ASSOCIATION ( as opposed to the Humane Society) which supposedly monitors animal treatment in films has been exposed by the LA Times for selling its endorsement without even visiting the set. Many employees of this organization have left because of their disagreement with this policy. An endorsement by this private (profit) organization can be purchased.
Thanks again.

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Humans are shown being killed and tortured in movies all the time. Why does the sight of fictional violence toward animals upset you more than fictional violence towards humans? To me, that sounds a lot like the animal rights extremists that care more about rats or dogs than humans.

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Dear Gebbersnick.
My concern is that I don't KNOW that this is FICTIONAL violence. As for caring more about dogs or rats than humans, I am not one of those people who think that just because humans are on the top of the food chain, that we are more or less important than other creatures.
Actors in films have a choice.

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If you had stayed for the credits of this outstanding movie you would have been informed that no animals were harmed in the making of The Dancer Upstairs. In fact, the hanging dog carcasses were probably the least realistic component of the movie. What is truly outrageous is the real world abuses of power by governments and political extremists so effectively portrayed.

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Dear Jshanley,
Thank you for your response. I have no doubt that this was an outstanding movie and the theme of abuse of power is important. I looked forward to seeing it for a long time. I did not see the credits and appreciate your comments. However, I am still concerned since the LA Times has exposed the American Humane ASSOCIATION (as opposed to the Humane Society) for selling their endorsement to filmakers without even visiting the set. Many of their own employees have left the company in disagreement with this policy. This is a profit company which merely sells the logo.
Did you find the dogs unrealistic? As a licensed veterinary nurse who has unfortunately seen many dead animals, they looked very real. I much prefer your interpretation and hope you are right!

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they were real dog carcasse, with the directors commentary on - it was explained about the dogs (i forget exactly, but they were real and already dead)

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Someone please convince me that that dead dogs in the film were not killed for this purpose. In any case, they should not have been used and caused me to leave the theater in tears. This is outrageous.


you seriously believed those animals were real??? who would let anyone get away with that for the purpose of filmmaking? i didn't stay for the credits but i do have common sense. i'm sure you're joking and just wanted to get a discussion going. kudos to you! =)

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Having read a some interviews with John Malkovich, I would find it hard to believe that he's the sort of person who would have animals killed for the purpose of a film. And whether animal carcasses should be used for the purposes of film... I suppose if you believe in some inherent dignity of dogs that's on par with the perceived dignity of humans, you could say that using their bodies for that purpose violates that dignity.

Then again, if I died and John Malkovich asked my spirit if he could string my body up on a lamppost for his next film, I'd be thrilled. Hey, it's just a mass of meat, eh? What's a body to someone not using it anymore?

Of course it was a disturbing image. It was supposed to be. So was a ten year old boy delivinering a suicide bomb. Disturbing as hell. Both of those scenes made me queasy. But it's for a purpose. Like Malkovich said in an interview with TheOnionAVClub.com, "Every day, somewhere in the world, terrorists will murder people who have nothing to do with their cause, to promote their cause, and that's something the world is starting to grapple with now." He wants you to grapple with terrorism, with disconnection from human suffering, with corruption.

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He might not have animals killed for the purpose of a film.

But, he seems to have no problem telling people he would like to kill Robert Fisk.

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Someone probably stepped on a bunch of ants, swatted a fly, some mosquitos, ran over a scorpion or hooked some fish. I hope you cried for them Argentina. Or were they just not cute enough?

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The difference between showing animals being killed, hurt or maimed in the movies and showing humans should be clear: humans choose to be in the movies, animals (assuming that they are real animals) have no choice in the matter.

Having said that, however, I believe that fictionalized violence, against either humans or animals, makes us all less sensitive to real acts of violence. In the end, society as a whole is diminished.

But hey, it's your $8.50 (local movie ticket price), so spend it on whatever rocks your boat.

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what an idiot...you'd really beat the *beep* out of someone becuase they have a particular affection towards animals?...you're an ignorant fool...how the hell did you understand this film in the first place?...

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I think the dog issue has been pretty well hashed over (none were actually harmed for the film), but I'd like to make a couple of related points:

Why do people think that scenes involving blood and gore will desensitize us, especially when they are handled as they are in this movie? Should we ignore situations like this in film and other art? Pretending that they don't exist will not 'sensitize' us. just give us a false sense of tranquility. Much of the point of the film was the senselessness of the violence.

Why do the dog images strike such a chord in some people? A local (San Francisco area) rather lame reviewer, Jan Wahl, also called out the dog images as being disturbing. I did not find them enjoyable by any means, but also not really horrific. I did find the wounded girl quite disturbing though, much more graphic than the dogs, and much more worthy of comment. But also, like the dogs and many other more or less shocking scenes, quite relevant to the core of the movie.

I think this is a dmned good movie, using shock to make its points and not just for mindless gratuitous shock 'value'.

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Why do people think that scenes involving blood and gore will desensitize us, especially when they are handled as they are in this movie? Should we ignore situations like this in film and other art?


Certainly all art (including film) should be free to deal with these kinds of uncomfortable issues. The problem occurs when you are exposed to these images in excess, rather than in moderation. If you watch 20 films with dead dogs hanging from a telephone pole, eventually you will reach a point where it's almost boring.


I did find the wounded girl quite disturbing though, much more graphic than the dogs, and much more worthy of comment.


I did also, but I think my reaction was much more subdued than it would have been if I hadn't spent many years watching large numbers of action films with graphic carnage. I believe Hollywood should be free to produce this material, so ultimately the onus is on me as a moviegoer to limit my exposure. Unfortunately, I don't think the general public has the same attitude. People seem to think that kids are impressionable, but adults are not.


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Or 101 Dalmations.

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Any number of dog carcasses is available from the local humane society. If you have a valid reason, they might let you have some. (A small donation might help.)

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hmmm...all this talk about dead dogs is making me hungry.

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Lets just all watch dead alive 500 times so nothing bothers any of us anymore. Then stuff would be great
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