Underrated?


After seeing this film for the second time I was interested in seeing what other people thought of it. I think it is brilliant and underrated.

I see from this being the only thread that I was right.

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Don't see how you could have liked it if you didn't like Elisabeth Shue and Jessica Lange! They are in almost the entire movie! But I have ALWAYS thought this movie was very underrated. It has kind of this high comic spirit and I haven't seen many movies since this one that looked as wonderful. It just seemed like everyone must have had a blast making it.

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I absolutely agree, it is under-rated. I love this film, it is one of my favorite movies. I think it is smart, beautifully made, well directed and well acted. I loved the movie so much that I bought the book! It is also very good. I just love Jessica Lange; her presence is captivating in this movie. I am disappointed to see that there are so few posts about this film. It deserves much more recognition.

Live or die trying.

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I just picked this DVD up on a whim in the discount bin because it had a pretty cover. Now I'm looking it up on imdb and find it's like a secret fangirly goldmine of some of my favourite actors and actresses.

...*smuggles it in to work to watch on her breaks*

"It toddles off, but it always comes back. It's a very tenacious little thing."

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Target has been selling this DVD for 5.50! Not only was I amazed at how good it was, I am anxious to see it again to catch the nuances! The music was gorgeous and the 2 lead actresses are not to be missed. HIGHLY recommend this one!

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Am I just out in left field on this one? I got it at Target for $5.50 also. I thought jessica lange was excellent. Elizabeth Shue was oddly cast to me. She seemed very "American" no accent and her speech seemed very current. I also thought the story could have been tighter, it was a little unclear in the beginning with the younger lover who seemed more like a son. I thought this movie was just.....OK.

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This is one of my favorite movies, too. It may have its flaws, and it may not be faithful to the novel, but on its own merits I think it's incredibly entertaining and well-made. I adore the music and own the soundtrack. Had the film been critically well-received, I believe the music would have been Oscar-nominated. It's one of the best film scores I've ever heard. I do agree that Jessica Lange is a bit miscast. She acts the role beautifully, but she is much too attractive for this role. They should have done more than thicken her eyebrows. Perhaps a mole and some facial hair? LOL. But unlike many others, I think Elisabeth Shue was PERFECTLY cast. I believe the entire point is that she has no talent. Her fame stems solely from her ASSets. And the accents don't bother me. Unless you're going to film the movie in French, what's the point of fake French accents? I fail to understand why this movie was so critically lambasted. I highly recommend it.

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I will admit that I rented the VHS tape from a local library, primarily to see Hugh Laurie (playing catch up with his filmography due to "House" watching), but the entire film is a lark.

From Jessica Lange's vicious revenge plot (think of Bette Davis years earlier), to Elisabeth Shue, Bob Hoskins, and the incomparable Mr. Laurie), the movie wound up just where I thought it was going. Every gets their just desserts, or do they?

It is underrated. The Jessica Lange scheming mind is in overdrive here. It is well worth a look. Once the film starts it is difficult to say it's not for me and let it go at that point. You will want to stick around to see what happens to who along the way.

The seeds have been planted. Let the fun begin!

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But unlike many others, I think Elisabeth Shue was PERFECTLY cast. I believe the entire point is that she has no talent. Her fame stems solely from her ASSets.

She fails in that, as well. There's no difference between her performance on the stage and her performance off it. She is just as terrible in her love scenes as in her stage performances. Shue simply could not carry a role such as this (no matter how her performance of the role is explained/justified). Maybe they hired her for her gymnastic ability, but I doubt it.

And as for having the kind of beauty that drove men to bankrupt themselves, that is laughable. Lange, with her severe bun and eyebrows outshone Shue in every scene. I couldn't understand why Wencelas preferred Hortense, either. Kelly MacDonald is lovely, but Lange outshines her, too.

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I just watched this movie because I am a huge Hugh Laurie fan. I thought it was pretty good. The main problem I had was Elizabeth Shue. I thought her acting was horrible and was very distracting. Everyone else was great. She stood out like a sore thumb.

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I loved this movie. I can't believe the movie was a flop.

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Not underrated. It is a decent movie with a horribly miscast lead. Cousin Bette is supposed to be an unattractive spinster whose resentment of her beautiful and rich relatives has been building for decades, and who vows revenge and enlists a pretty young courtesan to help her beggar the family she resents. They would have had to do one heck of a makeup job to make Lange anything like as homely as she's supposed to be for this role. Tying her hair in a severe bun and putting her in dowdy dresses doesn't begin to cut it. It's the worst miscasting I've ever seen or heard of, other than William Hurt as the dark, brooding, homely, stocky, powerful, mysterious, and intense Rochester in the recent remake of "Jane Eyre".

To try to cover for Lange's beauty a bit, the scriptwriter fabricated a bit of backstory, a hint that Bette was in love with Cousin Hector and didn't marry because of that. Doesn't wash. Nothing can redeem the unintentional comedy of scenes like Bette complaining to Jenny that she was never good-looking and so needs pretty Jenny's help. Anyone can see that Lange, even 24 years older and severely dressed, is *still* more beautiful than Shue, so the scene falls apart.

I admit Hugh Laurie is way hot--but that too is miscasting. Hector is supposed to be a FORMERLY handsome man in his sixties who needs to beggar himself to continue pursuing his lifelong obsession with young lovelies.

They also butchered the plot. Hector's wife Adeline is supposed to live to the end, long-suffering and patient, and go through some horrible stuff because of Hector's actions. The primary villainous whore is not an opera singer but a thoroughly deceptive and hypocritical middle-class housewife named Valerie Marneffe--one of the big themes of the book is how a seeming "lady" can be a far more dangerous mistress than an obvious courtesan. I can't think why they felt the need to cut Valerie out unless they thought it would be more cinematic if the girl sang. Just dumb.

The 1971 BBC-TV miniseries of this book is now available on DVD, with the great Antonia Tyzack. Check it out to see what I mean by the right casting of Bette. Helen Mirren as the sly Valerie doesn't hurt, neither.

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This book is probably the clearest and most relevant to where we are in history. Balzac nailed it from the start, while it was around him.

Thanks for the heads up "The sphynx" to go with the BBC version.
I recently watched their I, Claudius production. Wonderful!

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You're very welcome. Totally agree on "I, Claudius." Have you seen the BBC "Cousin Bette" yet, or are you just looking forward to it? Low-budget production values or not, Tyzack rocks!

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Massively looking forward to it!

Are you a Hugh Laurie fan?...Especially his take on Bertie Wooster.
I dig that out when I need a good laugh.

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Haven't seen much of anything with Hugh Laurie in it yet, but judging by his photos and word-of-mouth, I soon and happily will.

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Don't forget Laurie in Black Adder- now that's a show!!

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Not underrated. It is a decent movie with a horribly miscast lead. Cousin Bette is supposed to be an unattractive spinster whose resentment of her beautiful and rich relatives has been building for decades, and who vows revenge and enlists a pretty young courtesan to help her beggar the family she resents. They would have had to do one heck of a makeup job to make Lange anything like as homely as she's supposed to be for this role. Tying her hair in a severe bun and putting her in dowdy dresses doesn't begin to cut it. It's the worst miscasting I've ever seen or heard of, other than William Hurt as the dark, brooding, homely, stocky, powerful, mysterious, and intense Rochester in the recent remake of "Jane Eyre".

To try to cover for Lange's beauty a bit, the scriptwriter fabricated a bit of backstory, a hint that Bette was in love with Cousin Hector and didn't marry because of that. Doesn't wash. Nothing can redeem the unintentional comedy of scenes like Bette complaining to Jenny that she was never good-looking and so needs pretty Jenny's help. Anyone can see that Lange, even 24 years older and severely dressed, is *still* more beautiful than Shue, so the scene falls apart.

I admit Hugh Laurie is way hot--but that too is miscasting. Hector is supposed to be a FORMERLY handsome man in his sixties who needs to beggar himself to continue pursuing his lifelong obsession with young lovelies.

They also butchered the plot. Hector's wife Adeline is supposed to live to the end, long-suffering and patient, and go through some horrible stuff because of Hector's actions. The primary villainous whore is not an opera singer but a thoroughly deceptive and hypocritical middle-class housewife named Valerie Marneffe--one of the big themes of the book is how a seeming "lady" can be a far more dangerous mistress than an obvious courtesan. I can't think why they felt the need to cut Valerie out unless they thought it would be more cinematic if the girl sang. Just dumb.

The 1971 BBC-TV miniseries of this book is now available on DVD, with the great Antonia Tyzack. Check it out to see what I mean by the right casting of Bette. Helen Mirren as the sly Valerie doesn't hurt, neither.


Agree to all of it; this is airing on Ovation at the moment, and Lange is indeed too beautiful as Bette--even in middle age, a Bette that looked like Lange does in the Movie would have been considered a handsome woman by 19th C standards.

I also agree about the BBC-TV version of CB which was wonderful with a suitably plain Antonia Tyzack.

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I can't think why they felt the need to cut Valerie out unless they thought it would be more cinematic if the girl sang. Just dumb.

and then they cast someone who couldn't carry a note.

The 1971 BBC-TV miniseries of this book is now available on DVD, with the great Antonia Tyzack. Check it out to see what I mean by the right casting of Bette. Helen Mirren as the sly Valerie doesn't hurt, neither.

You mean Margaret Tyzack, one of my favorites. She and Mirren are both superb actresses and carry the 71 version perfectly (which cannot be said for the actresses in this unfortunate mess).

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LOL, yes, Margaret Tyzack. I unintentionally gave her the first name of her character in her greatest and longest-lasting role, the Roman matriarch from "I, Claudius". And of course Mirren rocks at any age.

Honestly, Lange has the acting chops to carry it off, if the filmmakers had simply had the cojones to give her a terrible skin condition or something (think Charlize Theron in "Monster").

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Agree about Lange. She acted the part superbly, but I just couldn't buy into it that Wenceslas would be repulsed at the idea of her Bette (while preferring Kelly MacDonald and Elizabeth Shue).

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I do agree that the film is underrated and I think rather hilarious. I can see why people have a problem with the casting in some spots. Jessica Lange does not have the look of a spinster, but she still manages to do her role rather well. Elizabeth Shue is good too, but there is a little something off about her being chosen too. I guess one thing that bothered me was the accents that neither lead actress seemed to have. It just always bothered me for some reason that these two women lived in France but had no accent. I can deal with not speaking French for box office reasons, but wouldn't they have accents? Other than that great movie and I recommend it.

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Great movie! one of my favorites
People are bothered because the movie doesnt have accents, i consider that fake accents sound ridiculous, it would have ruined the movie.
i rather have none, only evil german accents sound good (in a ridiculous way) :p

and i really love the soundtrack :)

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My family and I accidentally watched this about ten years ago. A movie we were watching on Cinemax had just gone off, and this one started before we knew it. From the very first scene we were hooked (whimsical music but dark/funny lines and happenings).

Some of the lines from the movie have been part of our portfolio of inside jokes ever since.

A few:

1. Don't you, madamoiselle? (About the presence of sheep and cows)
2. You want me to get the money? Because I can get it! I can get it!
3. I won't be left holding the bag! (I actually said something about being left holding the bag the other day, to a coworker).
4. I shall be like, a bitter wind...

And there are other jokes in there that come to light after repeated viewings. Like "keel boss". I love this film!

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And another funny one when later on in the movie Wenceslas said to Bette: "It seems as though you have brought me back from death only to make me your slave!"

The first thing he said to her after she revived him was (something to the effect of), "I will be your slave!"

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it is definitely underrated.

it's from a balzac novel, apparently - and i can believe it.

i usually subtract 1 star when a period film features actors and actresses playing characters of a different nationality (here it's english, scotch & american playing french). i give this film a "7" even after the -1 star. i just think it's that good.

and, there are some pretty memorable lines in it, too.

gregory 11111.

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Lol at your nationality scale, but Aden Young's Aussie so that adds to it.

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I saw it originally back in '98 and just saw it again; it held up well to a repeat viewing 14 years later. It was discouraging to come on IMDB and see so little interest in this film on the message boards.

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It's a pretty good movie I thought- though I agree with people complaining about the accents and some casting choices. Lange gave another nice performance, but I thought someone else would've suited the role better. Shue's manners and speech felt too contemporary, but she charmed me too Aden Young had that foreigner accent on and off. And that revolution thing didn't work out well either.

But the plot is really interesting, the pace is spot-on, lots of funny lines, good mixture of comedy and tragedy...

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I have to agree with you.
Truly wonderful and extremely enjoyable.
I really love how the threads played out and the final outcome was what I had wished for too. Two enthusiastic thumbs up.

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Incredibly wonderful movie!!! Underrated is an understatement. From the direction to the acting to the sets and costumes, and most especially, most especially, the music! About 6 thumbs up!!

Lange is brilliant, even if not homely enough. She's an underrated actress, and proves, to the current time, just how talented she really is. And I could listen to the music all day. In fact, it's on right now.

So glad to learn that others feel the same. I thought I must be alone.

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Love the film and love Lange in it. She wisely underplays Bette. So when the twists take place and revenge is served....It makes the pay off all the more powerful. This is a brilliant misunderstood dark comedy! Beautiful set designs,great score ,perfect supporting cast,and a very witty screenplay.

"Forget it Jake,It's Chinatown."

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