Cop Land: NYPD Officers cannot live in New Jersey - Cop Land (1997) Discussion

[–] bbgun5310 20 years ago

But didn't it state in Cop Land that the officers in question also worked as "Auxillary" cops for the Subway system that runs between New York and New Jersey, thereby allowing them to circumvent the rule...?

I'm not from New York or New Jersey so forgive me if I was off in the terminology. They did mention in Cop Land that normally NYPD officers cannot live in New Jersey, and they found a way to get around that rule...

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

But didn't it state in Cop Land that the officers in question also worked as "Auxillary" cops for the Subway system that runs between New York and New Jersey, thereby allowing them to circumvent the rule...?

They may have said that in the movie, but it's not accurate. The jurisdiction of the New York City Police Department extends throughout the entire State of New York, but they have no jurisdiction in New Jersey, and are not allowed to reside there. At no time were New York City Police given authority as "auxillary" police in the (PATH) Port Authority Trans-Hudson system.

The police agency which has jurisdiction in both states, and whose officers can live in either state, is the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department, which has authority over the area airports (Newark Liberty International, John F. Kennedy International, La Guardia, Teterboro Airport, as well as some smaller commuter airports), the bridges and tunnels connecting New York and New Jersey (George Washington Bridge, Lincoln Tunnel, Holland Tunnel, Bayonne Bridge, Goethals Bridge, and the Outerbridge Crossing), some of the Hudson and East River piers and area container port facilities, and the PATH (Port Authority Trans-Hudson) trains, stations, and terminals. They also were the police agency which had authority over the World Trade Center complex until it's destruction on September 11, 2001.

New York City had a separate police agency, the New York City Transit Police Department, which had juridiction over the New York City Transit Authority subways, buses, and facilities, until their merger in 1995, along with the New York City Housing Police Department, into the New York City Police Department.

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] landfall2121 20 years ago

Did you all not pay attention to the narration at the beginning of the film? It explains this whole situation, how the cops were able to move out of the city because of a loop hole they found in the system (i.e. being transit cops and several other excuses they were able to use back in the 60's and 70's to move over to Jersey) however it is also implied that their corrupt ways also had something to do with it all. Watch the movie again, they explain it all before the credits even start.

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

Did you all not pay attention to the narration at the beginning of the film? It explains this whole situation, how the cops were able to move out of the city because of a loop hole they found in the system (i.e. being transit cops and several other excuses they were able to use back in the 60's and 70's to move over to Jersey) however it is also implied that their corrupt ways also had something to do with it all. Watch the movie again, they explain it all before the credits even start.

Yes, I did pay attention to the nattation at the beginning of the movie. I'm just telling you that the reasons why these police officers were "allowed" to live in New Jersey have no basis in reality. I know that "Cop Land" is just a movie, and like all movies, a bit of "poetic license" has been taken, but New York City Police Department officers are not allowed (by official NYPD regulations) to live in New Jersey. Believe me, as I know this for a FACT!

In brief, I'll sum it up for you:

Cop Land - Fantasy
NYPD Regulations - Reality

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] brightmidnight71 18 years ago

Yeeeeessssss…..this is the world of movie fiction….a strange and topsy-turvey place where things that didn’t happen…happened—and things that should happen, don’t. It’s a whacky place, for sure, Yuk! Oh, and if the root of this is you being one of those New Yorkers who hates all the bridge-and-tunnel people, trust me, we don’t like yous neither, and you can’t freakin drive.

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[–] Cock-Knocker 17 years ago

Hey brightmidnight71:

Stay on your side of the Hudson River (the smelly Jersey side), and I promise that I won't patronize your state's businesses and put money into your state's economy!

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[–] Tiger_Mark 20 years ago

Nobody has ever said anything to me about it.

"Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off!"

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[–] texanengineer 20 years ago

What reaction did you have to the movie? I live in Dallas, which is a large city, but is very spread out, not like NY at all, so I don't think the police here area fair comparison.

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[–] Tiger_Mark 20 years ago

I enjoyed the film, I really did. It was a fun story. I did not find it terribly realistic, but few crime dramas are. It was just there to be enjoyed. I really liked Robert Patrick in this one, he reminded me of quite a few cops I know. DeNiro plays a prick..erhhh.... i mean IAD man very well.

"Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off!"

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

I am NYPD and I live in Jersey... Nobody has ever said anything to me about it.

Are you kidding me? You are a member of the NYPD and you don't know that you must reside in either- one the Five Boroughs of New York City or the New York State Counties of Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, and Orange?

Do you live in New Jersey "on the sly" and give a New York address for payroll purposes? That is the only way that you could get away with living in New Jersey.

There is NO WAY that the Police Department would allow you to live in New Jersey and be a Police Officer in the Police Department of the City of New York!!!

If I were you, I wouldn't tell anybody "on the job" that I was living in New Jersey, as you are in violation of the New York City Administrative Code and NYPD regulations. If the Police Department finds out, you might be fired!!!

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] Tiger_Mark 20 years ago

Proud resident of Hoboken for the last five years. Ride the transit in five days a week.

"Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off!"

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

Proud resident of Hoboken for the last five years. Ride the transit in five days a week.

Tiger Mark, why don't you just admit that you are lying about being a New York City Police Officer?

First of all, all New York City Police Officers know about the residency requirements for the job. You claim that you were never told that New York City Police Officers can only live in the Five Boroughs of New York City or Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, and Orange Counties.

Secondly, No one from the New York City Metropolitan Area refers to the train running between Hoboken and Manhattan as "the transit". They are called PATH trains (PATH stands for Port Authority Trans-Hudson) and some people refer to them as "the tubes".

If you are really a New York City Police Officer please answer the following 8 questions:

1.) What are the names of the three Police Commissioners who served in the Giuliani Administration (1994-2001)?

2.) Who is the current Police Benevolent Association President, and where are the PBA offices located?

3.) Where is the Police Academy located?

4.) What is located directly across the street from the front entrance to the Police Academy?

5.) Where is the Police Department's Outdoor Firing Range located?

6.) How much is the PATH train fare?

7.) How much is the current cash toll at the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels?

8.) If you wanted to travel by car from Hoboken City Hall on Washington Street to the Newport Center Mall in Jersey City, what are the names of the streets that you would take?

If you can answer these questions, then maybe I will believe that you are a New York City Police Officer. If you fail to respond, or you do not know the answers to my questions, then I maintain that you are a liar.

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] bbgun5310 20 years ago

Your honor, I object to this line of questioning!!! It is a complete badgering of the witness...

: )

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[–] DreTam2000 20 years ago

I'm not a control freak, I just like things my way

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[–] Tiger_Mark 20 years ago

Wow! I always thought I was a police officer. I get paid by the NYPD. I wear the blue. But I guess you would know better than I. And if I were to answer your questions, would that change your opinion or would you just say that I got those answers off the internet? Which would be so easy to do. You pre-suppose a lot of stuff.

"Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off!"

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

Wow! I always thought I was a police officer. I get paid by the NYPD. I wear the blue. But I guess you would know better than I. And if I were to answer your questions, would that change your opinion or would you just say that I got those answers off the internet? Which would be so easy to do. You pre-suppose a lot of stuff.

Just as I suspected. "Tiger Mark"...

But why would you ever want to lie about being a cop in New York? My Father is a 30 year veteran of the NYPD, retiring at the rank of Deputy Inspector in 1990. He was a Captain in the Bronx during the late 70's and early 80's, and after the stories he told me about some of the the cops under his command, I would never want to be a cop in New York.

If you were really a Police Officer in the NYPD and living in New Jersey, you would be breaking the law. The Police Department tells you about the residency rules before you even take the examination, again during the candidate investigation process, and yet again upon appointment as a Probational Police Officer. In fact, at your first day on the job at the Police Academy, they make you sign an affidavit attesting that you are aware of the residency requirement, and that you agree to abide by it.

You claim that you were never told about the residency requirement... Bullpoop!!!

That, in addition to your failure to answer my questions, proves that you are less than truthful.

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] bbgun5310 20 years ago

I rest on your face...I mean I rest my case!!!

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[–] coolbluegreen 10 years ago

I know this is ten years old, but I feel like responding. Good questions if he were in front of you, but he can google a lot of those. He's a total liar, btw. I agree. You need to ask other questions, stuff only people on the job would know that can't be googled.

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[–] vestdennis 10 years ago

http://www.nypdrecruit.com/faq

Residency requirements are in black & white on NYPD website. You have to live in the city at the time of your appointment.

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[–] coolbluegreen 10 years ago

NOW the residency requirements are -- but what about when the movie was made or set? I don't have any idea.

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[–] coolbluegreen 10 years ago

Again, you posted this ten years ago, but you need to get more google-proof questions. It's fun to think of them.

Okay. If a person was arrested on Avenue C and 2nd Street -- what precinct would get him? Maybe something like that.

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[–] patgotee 18 years ago

If you are telling the truth its one of three things with you...

You either must have more than 30 years OTJ and were grandfathered in

OR

You are doing it illegally

OR

You are full of it, because NYPD is NOT NOT NOT allowed to live in NJ under ANY circumstances.

BTW, Can you tell me what OTJ means?

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[–] bbgun5310 18 years ago

"On the job"

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[–] kmtahir 20 years ago

You know, in movies they usually take some creative license...

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[–] Trailblazer44 20 years ago

Jeeezus Kryst, pal. Let it go. It's a movie. Suspension of disblief and all that. The film's FICTIOUS world sets up a scenario where certain cops circumvent the law. Not the biggest stretch in film history.

How come every time I post, I get this same bullsh!t signature?

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

So it took you almost 5 months to come up with that clever response, Blazer420?

What a genius you are!!!

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] Trailblazer44 20 years ago

No, f*ckstick, I only joined IMDb about 2 months ago and came upon your worthless post on July 2, the date of my reply. It took me about 5 seconds to come up with that. Unlike yourself who took a month and a day to come up with yours.

You need to drop your IMDb handle, you insult a film you're not worthy of, you intellectual lightweight.

How come every time I post, I get this same bullsh!t signature?

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[–] Trailblazer44 20 years ago

Stop posting on IMDb. Just stop. You behave like a child. If you can't have discussions and can't take opposing viewpoints, you don't belong on discussion boards.

At the beginning of this thread, you almost came off like you knew what you were talking about, but your pigheaded refusal to acknowledge valid counterarguments posed by the other posters and subsequent vile outlashings against all who oppose you reveal you for what you are.

You are no longer worth anyone's time. I'm only bothering with THIS response to your childishness because I get notified when I have responses and feel I owe it to other IMDb users to post this warning against you.

If you start harrassing me now, I won't hesitate to report you for abuse.

Clearly my point in my original post to this thread was that - whether or not you are factually correct about the NYPD's policy (which seems to still be up to debate) - you are in violation of the unwritten contract of "suspension of disbelief" that all moviegoers adhere to with respect to the FICTION films we attend. Apparently it's a concept that's beyond you. It's not my job to educate you in film appreciation, board posting ettiquette or what your handle means.

You've made your point, albeit a weak one. You seem to have nothing further constructive to say. All you seem capable of is prepubescent tantrums. It's time for you to move on.

How come every time I post, I get this same bullsh!t signature?

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

I'm not going anywhere, buster!!!

If you don't like what I have to say, then I suggest you place me on your "ignore list".

I have two simple words for you, you troublemaking instigator: GET LOST

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] Trailblazer44 20 years ago

BuddyChrist will be ignored, however,

LAST WARNING

I will monitor and won't hesitate to report should you persist. Any further postings reagrding me personally will be taken as ABUSE, a violation of IMDb rules.

You have not made arguments regarding your point on this subject in several posts. You are, therefore, a troll.

How come every time I post, I get this same bullsh!t signature?

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[–] Cock-Knocker 20 years ago

You are, therefore, a troll.

You are, therefore, an IDIOT

Since you have allegedly already placed me into your "ignored users" list, there is no reason to reply to this post, since you should be unable to read it. If you are reading this post, you have not placed me into your "ignored users" list as you said you did, and you are simply trying to instigate trouble.

AGAIN, GET LOST AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

"...look at it. Doesn't it...pop? Buddy Christ..."

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[–] ganonslayer 19 years ago

lmfao, this is awesome.

By the way, no one has actually disproven anything TBC has said in this topic.

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[–] nittany4 19 years ago

buddychrist,

lighten up

you need a date or something

cheers!

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[–] Aegrimonis 15 years ago

BuddyChrist will be ignored, however,

LAST WARNING

I will monitor and won't hesitate to report should you persist. Any further postings reagrding me personally will be taken as ABUSE, a violation of IMDb rules.

You have not made arguments regarding your point on this subject in several posts. You are, therefore, a troll.

Wow, Blazer420 is a fvcking idiot... why'd you start attacking him all of a sudden??? He was discussing the film and plausabilities, and you suddenly come flying in on your high horse and starts flaming him, acting insulted! Then you take the defensive position after your insults gets answered... fvcking fanboys...

Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice

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[–] Trailblazer44 15 years ago

Your reading comprehension astounds, as does your sense of timing, stirring up 5 year old b u l l s h i t.

How come every time I post, I get this same bullsh!t signature?

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[–] Aegrimonis 15 years ago

Well, that's because your a$$holenesss just amazed me...

Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice

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[–] Trailblazer44 15 years ago

I assume you're the other dude's pimp.

I have no interest in a 5 year old argument you weren't even part of, douchebag.

Goodbye.

How come every time I post, I get this same bullsh!t signature?

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[–] Aegrimonis 15 years ago

Seriously, you have to admit you were acting like a fvcking idiot.

Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice

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[–] SnoozeAlarm 12 years ago

>>> as does your sense of timing, stirring up 5 year old b u l l s h i t

Dumb comment. As if there's a statute of limitations on discussing an interesting issue.

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[–] The24thFoot 11 years ago

I hear certain NYC City Council members want to change the rules so that all NYPD officers are required to live directly within the City of New York (aka the five boroughs). Obviously this is not going to go over too well with the officers who live on Long Island, Westchester, Rockland, etc.

I would venture to guess that the vast majority of NYPD officers do not live within the Five Boroughs.

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[–] Dehlia_ 19 years ago

I live in Rockland County and have for some 10 years now. I grew up in New Jersey. I'm sure that the reason that Bergen instead of Rockland was chosen (other than the drowning rescue story, which could easily have been modified), is because of the stereotypes that New Yorkers have about New Jersey. In fact, everyone has stereotypes about New Jersey, but no one's ever even heard of Rockland. I swear to the Gods, people who live in Bergen County, New Jersey don't even know where Rockland is, and we border on Bergen. Everyone knows there's such a thing as the Tappan Zee Bridge, and that half of it is in Westchester County, but no one seems to have any idea that the other half is in Rockland.

Anyway, it's just a recognition thing. As you can tell, it amuse me.

I should be able to love my country and still love justice. —Camus

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[–] mtfarmers2 19 years ago

I just wanted to say that this post is mad funny, and it lasted over a year! By the way, BC is right, not that it's a big deal; after all, it's only a movie. Anyway, if anyone's interested, the web link is below.

http://www.nypd2.org/html/recruit/requirements.html

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[–] chitowndale 19 years ago

I find this whole back and forth really funny. You say that the guy is a fraud. Perhaps you are right. But his point is well taken anyway. Here in Chicago, they have the same rule, You must be a resident of Chicago to be a policeman. I'm not a cop but my deceased Father-in-Law was a Chicago cop for 31 years and his brother a detective for 25 years. Neither of them resided in the suburbs but my Brother-in-Law did, He also was a Chicago cop and lived across the street from Chicago. Literally 50 feet from the city limits. When the CPD found out that he loved on "the wrong side of the street" they fired him. He is now a cop on a suburban police force.
So I can tell you that police rules are enforced when they are found to be violated. I can also tell you I know a number of police officers who do live in the suburbs and get away with it by using their parent's address or another relative. Obviously, if caught they will be fired.
As to this movie, the premise is that these cops are BOTH NYPD officers and part-time transit cops. I can't say if that is a real loophole or not, but it is not beyond belief that the personnel lawyers of NYPD could screw up and cause a loophole like this, knowing what screw ups most lawyers are. After all, when my Father-in-Law was dying from cancer, they still took him out of the communications center, slapped a helmet on him and sent him into the middle of the 1968 Democratic Convention riots where he got pelted with rocks and human exrement while getting tear gassed by his fellow officers and almost trampled to death by the mounted police as they charged the crowd. I am sure that this action violated any number of police rules but it didn't stop the top brass from doing it anyway. If I were really interested I could probably research it and find out if either the CPD or NYPD rules were really that tight but I am rather lazy lately.
Why didn't these cops just become state troopers, then they could wear those silly hats and live wherever they wanted to?

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[–] The24thFoot 19 years ago

I dont know about upstate but all the New York State troopers on Long Island do is traffic enforcement on the state parkways. Maybe its different upstate and the NYSP does actual police work up there.

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[–] Cock-Knocker 19 years ago

In small unincorpoated villages in Upstate New York, the New York State Police perform all of law enforcement functions that a county sheriff or a city, town, or village police department would perform in more populated areas of the state.

Where they are not performing law enforcement functions, the New York State Police patrol the interstate highways and state parkways enforcing traffic laws.

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[–] Cock-Knocker 19 years ago

Wow, what an old, but good thread. This should be on the Top 250 threads as voted by us...

Yeah, it's almost 2 years old, but it's still alive and kicking!

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (4184863) 9 years ago

Its not just Police. All city workers in Chicago have to live there. Detroit was like that, but dropped it and they all fled to the burbs.

Man this party is like an orgy at a campsite......its ***king in tents.

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[–] ryushidude 19 years ago

You do know there is a disclaimer in the movie's end credits stating that NYPD Officers cannot live in NJ?

Who cares anyway, it's just a movie.

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[–] DominicanOps 18 years ago

I live in Bergen County(Fort Lee, NJ) (Use to live in Rockland County) but go to school over at John Jay. The truth of the matter is many people use thier parents residence and still live in New Jersey. Obviously, if the NYPD finds out, they will most likely be fired. And I think what Kongfjong is right, its on the day of hire, but then after a while you can move out. Personally, myself, I was thinking about doing that little "trick" since my dad lives in NY and I could use his address, but the NYPD's Low Pay (Starting 25K.....) and the chance of getting fired from them finding out is simply not worth it. Then again, its hell to become a cop over here.

All in all, don't try and trick them, its just not worth it. A real quick question that I have: How can the NYPD expect cops to join if there the recruit can't even be able to afford a place? (25K/yr to live in NYC?......cmon..)

The NYPD is a good stepping stone to a career in the higher ups. Hell you can even move back to New Jersey and become a cop over here.

By the way, the movie was filmed in my area, FYI. Kinda cool since this town is pretty wack.

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[–] keywestmusicinc 18 years ago

I just moved from Fort Lee, NJ (to Westchester County, NY) in April after living there for 6 years. I was dating a woman who was with NYPD (and so is my brother) and she could not move in with me because she could not live in NJ and work for NYPD.

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[–] Cock-Knocker 18 years ago

I just moved from Fort Lee, NJ (to Westchester County, NY) in April after living there for 6 years. I was dating a woman who was with NYPD (and so is my brother) and she could not move in with me because she could not live in NJ and work for NYPD.

There you have it....

The final word on the subject.

Case closed!

Thank you, keywestmusicinc!

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[–] bbgun5310 18 years ago

Congrats Cock-Knocker, it only took you two and a half years, but you've finally done it...

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[–] Geets101 17 years ago

I'm a cop in NYPD and I live in Topeka, Kansas. It's a hell of a commute everyday, but the housing is much more affordable. I don't hit rush hour traffic until I get to West Virginia.

I think goats are hot!!!

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[–] DoctorBunsenHoneydew 17 years ago

Fantastic post.

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[–] SaulBellow 17 years ago

rule-bending nypd cops living in jersey?! how unbelievable! everybody knows all nypd officers live in posh coops on the ues. good thing you guys alerted me to the enormity of this film's logical fallacy. i might have actually watched and enjoyed it for its--y'know--depth, character development, and plot. now there won't be any need to do that. thanks!

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[–] MuleDeer 9 years ago

I'm a cop in NYPD and I live in Topeka, Kansas. It's a hell of a commute everyday, but the housing is much more affordable. I don't hit rush hour traffic until I get to West Virginia.

I think goats are hot!!!

Now that was funny.

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[–] keywestmusicinc 17 years ago

Lol. I should add.....my brother, who I said is NYPD, lives in the suburbs of NYC, Westchester County,.....and I dont think he is permitted to do that. lol.

(few days later)
edit: brother told me NYPD cant live above Orange County in NYS, definitely not permitted to live in New Jersey.

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[–] Milkdoesabodygood 17 years ago

WHY is this a rule!

"It's going, it's going down now, are U guys there? Freeze dirtbag, back out that door before one of us gets RECKLESS!" From Hill street blues Dect. Belker stopping a masked guy robbin a public transit bus in broad daylight.

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[–] glocktwentyseven 17 years ago

I think that the fact that it was against the rules for them to be living in New Jersey is the whole point.

Remember, DeNiro's narration at the beginning said that they "got themselves declared auxilliary transit cops", thus allowing them to circumvent the rules on residency.

It doesn't say anything about the NYPD granting them this perk. It looks like it was a favor, granted by certain corrupt, Mob-influenced politicians, who scratched the backs of the cops in Garrison, NJ, so that those same cops could scratch their backs later on.

The brief meeting shown between Ray (Harvey Keitel) and PDA President Vincent Lasarro (Frank Vincent), suggest that there is a lot of corruption going on with the NYPD in Garrison-- corruption that goes down to the very foundations of the town's origins.

That is the main reason why Moe Tilden (DeNiro) and Carson (Malik Yoba) are investigation Ray and the others.

The stuff with Superboy is just the crap floating on the surface.

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[–] Ironman54 12 years ago

"I just moved from Fort Lee, NJ (to Westchester County, NY) in April after living there for 6 years. I was dating a woman who was with NYPD (and so is my brother) and she could not move in with me because she could not live in NJ and work for NYPD."

WTF ?????????????????? You moved to Westchester but your gf couldn't move with you 'cause she can't live out of NYS ???? Last time I knew, Westchester was in NYS. Now if you had moved from Westchester to Ft Lee, your comment would make sense ....
John Jay must be proud !!

*Yeah, I know - A 6 yr old post ... but this one was so off the wall, I just had to.

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[–] seen1981 16 years ago

how are ya,just finished watching copland,it was a good movie,im in australia and i avoided this movie for like 10 years cause it looked like a corny thriller,but i thought it was well put together.

its just a movie son:-)

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[–] weresmurf 16 years ago

Any movie that can turn in a good performance from Rapaport, a rare thing lol, is worth watching!

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