no one really takes Moore too seriously. Ex: in bowling for Columbine he gave inaccurate date for Canada's crime rate and minority population. America has 1.4 times Canada's murder rate- not too much of a difference. Also, Moore compares such data as Germany's handgun murder rate against the US' total violent (this includes suicides) rate- yes 600 to 10000 (6-year averages) is a big jump, but when you take out US suicides, (or add in german) and account for the fact that the US is 10x the size of Germany- you almost get the same number. Moore wasn't sued for slander because he isn't taking too seriously in the political community. EX 2: in Fahrenheit you see him asking senators "would you send your kid to Iraq??!?!" A senator looks stunned and the camera moves away. His reply was something along the lines of "well i dont have a son but my nephews are all in iraq". also, moore says funny things like "would you send your children to iraq?" as if military service was something your parents decided. Moore also made up the scene with a bank giving him a gun in bowling for columbine and faked footage of Charlton Heston. (bowling for columbine) well not faked- but he took several sentences of Heston's and strung them together in a way that completely changes the interview. if you watch closely youll notice hestons outfit, stance and hairstyle change mid sentence-this is from Moore swapping out random words and throwing in other sentences, such as "from my cold dead heands!" that quote came 6 years before the next line heston speaks in columbine, which , with the way moore edited them together, is made to sound like a fluid, long reply to the death of a young girl. I can't recall the whole sentence restructuring, but basically a young girl was killed. in real life by a gun just before an NRA meeting. heston said this was a terrible tradgedy, called together a quick NRA vote and voted to cancel the parade, hearings, party, etc. the NRA left out of respect for the dead girl's family. as moore tells it, Heston still had the NRA meeting- this is true, he took a 7 day meeting and had it last about 3 hours because he was legally required to do so. and yet for some reason, Moore plays images of Heston laughing hysterically and talking about how happy he is. this image plays directly after the news (during his movie) that a little girl died. we are meant to believe heston delighted in the little girls death-strange then that heston looks much younger in that footage of him laughing...oh thats right, it was taken from a party many years ago, where heston was just given a gift from a friend that made him cry. of course, moore doesnt tell the public stuff like that- he states a girl died, then shows images of men laughing hysterically in a vain attempt to get you to dislike them. i dont know Fahreheint 9-11 as well, (im certianly not paying to see a moore film) but i do know F911 has many similar scenes. a shot of bush playing golf with during a peace summit (look at his golfing buddy-recognize the prime minister of britian? the UN council? ) is played over and over again "our preisdent plays golf!! how dare he!" was moores statement. wow. a man working 70 hour workweeks plays golf at the end of a week long peace summit. how dare he. clinton played the sax and had interns for breakfast, but that didnt matter. but oh no, bush plays golf with the leaders of the free world.
im not a huge bush fan, since the iraqi war is a bit too expensive. but michael moore? please. moore wont be sued for slander because no one cares. moore is a rich white man who calls himself the savior of poor black men. (watch the end of columbine) hes grossly overweight, greasy and looks like hes wearing pajamas all day everyday, yet he feels the need to write "stupid white men." he felt F911 would destroy the bush presidency and create overwhelming support for democrats-instead, more people voted for bush the second time around, even with a trillion dollar war on his hands.
simply put, moore is a fool, and can say whatever he wants whenever- only a few extremists take him at all seriously.
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19 years ago
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o3-1
19 years ago
the right pays attention to Moore, but only as an amusing old oaf. from his ratty, dirt stained jeans and tshirt and uncombed hair to his driving around in ice cream trucks, he's not perceived as a threat at all. And i am hereby admitting that Bush and friends helped family members get out of the US. that really proves nothing, bin laden had thousands of family members who had nothing to do with the WTC attacks. whether they did or not, that has nothing to do with moore-it was pretty common knowledge or at least rumor that bush did such a thing. as moore himself is concerned, as to his dishonesty, i never said moore was dishonest. he did show skewed minorty data, but he was talking about a city, not a nation there. what moore does it not a lie-he simpyl states data in such a way that he cannot be taken seriously. when he mentions handgun deaths of the US, this is obviously including suicides. Yet for some reason, he directly compares US gun deaths to forgein Gun murders- Japan's 61 gun murders a year seem pretty scary next to the US' 15,000 gun deaths. But add in japanese suicides like Moore added in with the US-and oh look, you have about 7,000. With a population in japan about 1/2 of the US- hmm you get the same number. Moores filmaking style IS his substance-miscommunicated facts that are illogical to compare together. if you can disprove to me that Moore was referencing US suicides AND murders and mentioned only European murder rates, feel free. In fact, heres something even easier for you. Throughout Columbine Moore would talk about Canada as havingsuch a tiny number of murders. Wonderful. did you also know that Canada has a population only three times that of a large American city? Not so impressive. Moore is not taken seriously because he uses the most laden and inaccurate terms to get his point across. He compares the murder rates of countries with 1/12th of the American population and shows how they have 1/13th of our murder total. Thats great- but Moore will only say this country here was 1/13th of our murder total. He doesnt bother stating that the same country has precisely 1/13th of our total population. The US is not the leader in handgun death, nor is it even close. He says Britain and Canada have next to zero crime. Canada has half of the US' minority population per 1,000 people. and the US has twice Canadas murder rate. He then talked about how Britian (3% minority) and Germany (8% minority) are so much safer than America...with a 30% minority population. Hmm....did Moore accidentally prove minorities cause crime? maybe hes just racist. Or better yet-Michael Moore is a grossly overweight man who made a commerically successful rant of a movie that proved nothing. Yes, his numbers are true. But they are arranged and fed to us in such a way that they are meaningless. You can't compare Handgun deaths of the US against handgun murders of a country 1/10th the US' size. Handgun deaths= suicides, murders, accidents- about 6,000 a year in the US. plus 5,000 murders- take germany's murder rate. add suicide rate. multiply by the difference between the german population and the US. what do you get? 12,000. not much of a difference at all. i saw half of fahrenheit 9/11 and laughed hysterically. 77% of US troops voted for Bush. over 54% of american voted for Bush. sure, moores film made money. so did Dude, Wheres my Car? Neither was taken seriously.
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funstuf
19 years ago
The Canadian crime rate is 1/2 that of the US, Newfoundland(part of Canada) and England is 1/2 of the Canadian rate. Since it is a rate it does not matter how many people live in Canada 30 million or 300 million. Rate = #people murdered/100,000 people.
US murder rate is one of the highest in the world, that is what moore is saying and it is correct! Too many guns make it too easy for people to whack each other. Guns don't kill people though, People kill people so there is much more to it than guns.
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ozzydude5
19 years ago
I know this one is going to sound weird, but maybe a group of people traveled back through time and kidnapped both Kennedy and Lincon because the future (or there present) was screwed up because of what these guys did. (Could have something to do with both presidents being pro-black) Then they some how managed to makes clone Lincon and Kennedy, put them back in the past (which could explane why there is a 100 year diffrence between the two presidents births and deaths.) Then hypnotise people to assasintate them. Of course they couldn't just assinate the presidents themselfs, they needed someone to take the blame, then they hypnotised more people to assasinate the assasinators, to make sure all the ends were tied up.
What do you think?
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teejay_the_blue
18 years ago
Well said! Also, The US has 7X the number of people in jail per capita as Canada. US sentences are too long to serve any purpose than long term incapaciatation. Canada is more focused on rehabilitation and has a lower recitivism rate. The US needs to create social programs and younger education programs to curb their crime rate as in Canada. America would be able to do this by cutting thier military.
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