Outstanding!


I just finished watching Chinese Coffee on the new dvd. Except for a handful of flashbacks, the entire flick is filmed in a small room in an older 80's Greenwhich apartment with Pacino and Jerry Orbach. The dialog is superb and these two deliver it brilliantly. There's a bit over twenty minutes of an additional...not really an interview but just Pacino expounding on the genesis of the play and how it got to be a film that appears fairly recent. (Probably last year because theres a minute or two where the interviewer is also with Orbach) Btw, there is some really incredibly witty dialog that just ricochets between the two. Ninety-nine minutes just flies by.

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Why, thank you very much. I can't tell you what that means to me. I wrote the damned thing. There's been a certain amount of criticism that it's not a movie movie, if you know what I mean. And it's true there's very little in the way of "action," murder, mayhem etc. But, frankly, my friend, I never really understood the notion that that kind of thing constituted cinema. These two guys are caught in what (forgive me for a bit of pretension here) I believe is a kind of existential trap. Two very smart guys without any of the perquisites of modern-day success. One of them, Manheim(Orbach) is used by life. The other(Pacino) has finally managed to USE his life; to some creative end.

Anyway, thanks again. Makes me feel we weren't totally off on a wrong bat.

Ira (Lewis)

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You're most welcome Ira. My truth is like life, there's nothing cinema should be. Your "existential trap" description still has me smiling--While watching "Chinese Coffee", I kept thinking the two characters were playing a sort of "cerebral tennis". The way there words were tossed/thrown back and forth between each other. (The close-ups gave a greater dynamic to it as well.) I was also surprised to learn during the dvd's "epilog" that while Pacino had spent more than a year with the play, Orbach had three weeks to get up to speed--Brilliant. He WAS that guy.
For what it's worth Ira, I'm closer to Pacino and Orbach's generation--"action, murder, mayhem, etc.", while it has become commercially viable to "movies", it's a poor substitute for a well-written story.

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Ira, if you don't mind can you speak somewhat to the relationship you now have with Pacino. I know there was something of a falling out and I was wondering if that had been resolved, or if there were bad feelings?

I have not seen the film yet - (waiting for the boxset to be delivered to me!), but I did see the play with Pacino and Charles Cioffi and enjoyed that very much back in the early 90s.

I also remember you appeared in Pacino's "Looking For Richard".

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Ok, well I finally got around to seeing this today - and I was really pleased. I wouldn't say I like this as much as "The Local Stigmatic" which I think is really brilliant (at least thinking about in retrospect now) although I think for most people the opposite will be true and this will be the one they like "more".

Unlike "Stigmatic" which is very experiemental and tough to get, this one plays more like a straight movie with a beginning, middle, end and a plot that can be followed. I can't really understand why Pacino didn't allow this one to be released in theaters because it would fit in nicely at any theater playing Indie or art-house movies. This could have gotten nominations for Pacino and Orbach.

The acting is at a very high level. I saw Pacino do this onstage in 1992 and his performance here is as good as it was onstage - but it's not exactly the same as he played it then. When I saw him do it in 1992, he came across as much more angry and less sympathetic. I think the flashbacks in the film make him more sympathtic - you see how he had a life and could have had a better life at one point.

There is one brief line I'd like to draw everyone's attention to (this is not a spoiler). At one point Jerry Orbach asks him how he thinks his brother will feel about the portrayal of him in the book......Pacino replies with 4 words : "He'll get over it". But he does more with those 4 words than you can imagine - his expression, the movement of his eyes - everything. Of course he gets some showy scenes as well which he nails - especially a scene where he describes how it's now or never for him near the end.

Orbach is totally up to this part. It's not easy to share a whole film with Pacino and not get blown away - but Orbach matches him and really the two performances play off each other - they aren't competing, they are working together. (Like Pacino & Jeffrey Wright in "Angels in America" or DeNiro/Williams in "Awakenings"). When I saw this onstage the part was played by an actor named Charles Cioffi and he was quite good too - I think in the film Orbach gets an advantage over Cioffi because you can focus the camera on him. Onstage pretty much all eyes were on Pacino. Orbach is funnier than Cioffi was, Cioffi seemed more angry and likely to hurt Pacino than Orbach does. Orbach plays it more like he's "fed up" which works well here.

Just like with Stigmatic, I found the prologue and epilogue fascinating - although not as necessary to understanding the film as it was for Stigmatic (I wouldn't skip them though).

Next up for me is Babbleonia and then I'm gonna watch Looking For Richard last since I've seen it before. So far I'm loving this boxset.

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I purchased the box set recently and watched Chinese Coffee last night. I frankly thought it was one of the funniest films that I had seen in years. I laughed out loud a lot (and I'm not much of a laugher) and enjoyed it immensely. While I can see how the repartee between Harry and Jake could have been portrayed in an angrier tone, I liked this funnier, more absurd interpretation. A lot of people have funny and absurd relationships with others, wondering "Why do I spend time with so and so?", and thus could relate to these two friends. Also, the funny and absurd tone, coupled with the flashbacks showing happier times, made the ending all the more bittersweet. I genuinely felt bad for both of them. It was a very touching film; kudos to all involved.

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I just watched CHINESE COFFEE. I loved it! Great writing, great acting, and I really loved Elmer Bernstein's score. Bravo!

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Having just watched Chinese Coffee I must say it was nice to watch some decent acting and follow a well written story that held my interest based on the dialogue ather than the actions taking place.

A few days ago I watched 88 minutes. Sigh. Yes it was entertaining enough but it was of course Al Pacino in his stereotyped shouting hyper agressive macho man role with little substance. So I am glad I was Chinese coffee, which although it carries some element of the eternally bothered Pacino has much more depth to it.

An existential trap - good description.

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JUST finished watching. BRAVO!! Standing O!

Need more "cinema" like this. Didn't want it to end; for these two characters to leave.

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Pacino (as he holds out his hands): "At least I'm not shaking anymore."

Perfection...

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I agree, this movie is outstanding.

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I finally watched this tonight. I've been wanting to see this for years, and I must say, it was well worth the wait. I enjoyed this film purely for it's witty dialogue. The lines were delivered flawlessly from both Al and Jerry. I found myself hanging on every word and laughing at a lot of the disguised humor.

Great movie! I can't wait to see it again.

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Pacino draws you in and never lets go - really Outsanding!

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Just finished watching it. This is a wonderful movie. Writing, directing, acting, music, everything is brilliant. This is really one of Pacino's best.

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in my top 5 personal favorite movies. the writing is the elevator that Orbach and Pacino ride to brilliance.

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I wonder what it would have been like, had they reversed the roles. In a way it might feel more natural. Maybe that would have been too easy.

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A really wonderful film, great dialogue and brilliant acting.

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