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They should show these movies in all schools.


and promote some tolerance and understanding.

I was honestly dumbfounded when they went into the city... THE MIDDLE EAST IS LIKE THAT? I'm not the most gullible media believer but I still for some reason had it ingrained in my head that middle east is full of desert and camels and their BIG CITIES look like where Ali lived.....

but those rich bastards .... wow.....

If everyone had to see this film I bet we could largely prevent and stop terrorism, it starts with us recognizing that these people are REAL PEOPLE just like us, and you know, that they aren't a bunch of *random arab slur* that deserve to be nuked.

This film also made me cry as I have a strong feeling we will be killing these people in the next few months.

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I thought it looked like the good old 70s building and houses. In any case, this is a great movie and I actually would have loved to see a scene where the little girl gets her shoes from her daddy. Ali's and his sister were totally charming in this movie. I don't want to spin any political statement over this movie, but it's a worthy movie to watch.

My life isn't any better than yours.

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They do. At my school they showed this movie as part of our middle east section. I loved this movie.

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You think you have new eyes to see yet you still show your ignorance.

This was a movie. It only reflects a fictional snapshot in time of a very few people . . . and then, as with any movie, with a bias. Do you think a contemporary American movie reflects reality in America (e.g. American Pie)?

You saw this movie and made a judgement - "those rich bastards". You've made the same mistake that many middle-easterners make. They make assumptions based on limited (no) first-hand knowledge.

I hear no one in America (in a position of authority) calling for "nuking" the middle-east. I do hear Iranians developing nuclear weapons and calling for the distruction of fellow middle-easterners (Israel). Who is the nuclear threat?

51% of Irainians are Persian only 3% are Arab. https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html#People
(You still have more to learn - don't stop.)

I do agree with you that this was a wonderful movie and should be shown in American schools. And it could help us understand the Iranians better.

What must done to have them better understand the west?



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Quality response. This movie should not be politicized but if it must, then we should be realistic and honest with ourselves about the current Iranian regieme. There are good people everywhere, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, North Korea, the West Bank, etc, but I feel like if you didn't realize this before you saw this movie, well you're a lost cause.

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Thanks akfeinberg. I agree with you, if a person doesn't realize that there are good and bad people everywhere before this movie, the movie isn't going to help.

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I think it could help. Don't underestimate the power of art to create bonds of solidarity and understanding among people.

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The only danger in focusing on the fact that are good and bad people everywhere is losing sight of why we need to win this present conflict.

My father didn't like this film; he saw in it a disturbing agenda of putting innocent faces on our perceptions of the Middle East--an attempt to change our policies by showing us that we share the same loves, fears, and struggles as Ali in our own families.

I really enjoyed it, though. All we usually get from that area of the world is bad news, worse news, and more bad news. It's nice to see something artistic and heartwarming from that culture once in a while. At the same time, we can't forget why our boys and gals are over there: to keep evil from us here in our comfy homes in the US, and from those who are innocent like Ali and his family.

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They actually do have a class about this (kinda) at my school. We call it Multicultural Literature and we watch movies (some classes read books) from other countries and then learn about that country. We saw movies from Mexico, Brazil, Algeria, New Zealand, China, and Iran. Watching movies from countries that have been in the news lately made this class even better. A lot of my classmates have thought more about illegal immigration after watching "el Norte".

Huzzah!

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It is amazing to think that so many Americans or people around the world for that matter are so naive. Do we really get all of our worldly knowledge from mass media? Disgusting. I am half Persian and half Japanese living in LA, albeit I am 3rd generation. Anyways... if you don't know that there are good, bad, and apathetic people everywhere then you don't know anything about anything. I may have been fortunate enough to travel the world, but i think however I was brought up I would never be that stupid. And I am only 23. Cmon people, where's the empathy us in hollywood are supposed to have?

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Thanks for your very good massage. I could not say that madjidi really wanted to show the point you mentioned, but your feeling is exact. Actually, the art does not contribute to the facts of our dirty world and who knows maybe somedays in these conflicts Tehran become the victim of West attack, but I convince myself to remember the last scene of the film, the gold fish (the symbol of new year and life in Persia) and tired feets. Hopes never ends.

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Yes, they should, but not for the reasons you cite. Not to promote political correctness, or tolerance and understanding. But to promote decency and goodness, which is what make this movie so moving. To teach children the value of self-sacrifice and caring for others in one's family; that even when one is poor, one can perform acts of charity towards others even less fortunate; that the greatest nobility in human character can be found among the poorest and most destitute, but also among the rich (e.g., the grandfather who hires Ali's father as gardener).

These virtues and values are in fact universal and do transcend nationality and ethnicity and religion. But if all children will learn from this film is that "Iranians are just like us" then they will have learned very little.

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I saw the film late last night and realized that for a simple storyline, the film can be interpreted on multiple levels of complexity depending on the age and interest of the person/group that one chooses to discuss it with. I ordered the DVD right away so that my wife and my 5-year old daughter, who were fast alseep by then, can also appreciate it.

I think that for my daughter, promoting her to understand what you describe in your first paragraph is very appropriate, and it is for that reason I want my daughter to be introduced to this little gem of a film.

However, for a grown-up like myself, I think that a realization of "Iranians are just like us" and to reaffirm the importance of tolerance, understanding, and that humanity is universal is just as valid. It was a sort of reality check for me; having grown up hearing the news about Iran such as Ayatollah and his Islamic Revolution, Iran-Iraq War, the Hostage Crisis, fatwa placed on Salman Rushdie and now Ahmadinejad, I realized I have inevitably acquired a stereotype against the country of Iran. The Iranians, both rich and poor, however, do go on with their lives just like any other citizens of the world. In fact, I felt a tinge of nostalgia while observing the destitute but simple and loving life of the protagonist's family.

As my daughter grows more mature and could take on more complex topics such as politics, religion, war and history, I hope that I can introduce layers of issues that has been discussed here on this thread.

Remarkable film indeed, for the story can be ported to any culture at any given time (in fact, Wiki notes that the story was adapted for a Singaporean production).

***spoiler here***

Despite the last scene, when Zahra goes into the house disappointed for Ali did not come in third, I know that having witnessed their interaction up to that point, all will be well by the time the father comes home with sneakers for both of them.






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I'm sorry but I need to interject something here...

Persians are *NOT* Arabs.


Persians, people from what used to be Persia and is now Iran, decended from a completely different background than the rest of the Mideast. Persians are NOT arabs, Persians are ARYAN. Yes they are "white". No, this has nothing to do with Hitler.

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I have news for you. Arabs are "white" too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_people#Identity

"Your mother's in here with us."

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