especially when the following is considered:-
1. Elena had NO logical reason to have sex with Victor
2. Everyone is surprised by the fact that Sancho was the one that pulled the trigger - did this not come out at the trial?
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"The cook's a SEAL?!!"
David Traversa. Benettfreeman: 1) Elena had a brief encounter with Victor when he was still a virgin and the results were disastrous (she tells him so at the very beginning of the film, because obviously she was VERY experienced).
Years later he comes back from prison, a very skillful performer obviously thanks to a great deal of sexual practice there, and tells her so.
Elena doesn't have intercourse with David, her husband, because he's impotent, and only can satisfied her with cunnilingus.
She's still young and maybe quite frustrated with only that diet and remembering what Victor told her about "wanting to be the best lover in the World just to please her" she couldn't take any longer her sexual dissatisfaction and decided to do it "only once", since at the same time, maybe Victor's obsession with her would be placated, leaving her alone and disappearing ("Pájaro que comió voló" --"Bird that ate, flew away").
Besides..., he was SO GORGEOUS that nobody could blame her for giving in, don't you agree?
2) I suppose your reasoning is correct, since nobody goes to prison 6 years without a trial; no movie script is perfect, so let's assume this detail to be one of those "Deus ex Machina" so often used to escape one of those "impossible--to--escape" situations, for the movie to keep going.
very good ty
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David Traversa.
EEESSS: I'm convinced that many people go through a movie without paying any attention to the dialog or action, otherwise, things as obvious as the ones I explain in my previous comment should be perfectly clear to anyone.
Very few people (only the ones in the business) have an idea of the amount of time invested in scrutinizing a script with a microscope, to be sure that everything makes sense, have no repetitions, etc.
Thank you for you appreciation!
nevertheless, it bothers me that the disgusting psycho, ends up with a 'happy ending'. for 2hrs im waitng for some1 to put a baseball bat thru his head. so yes, it made no sense
shareDavid Traversa.
EEESSS: I understand your feelings because its the natural reaction we all have towards injustice.
But look around you, listen to the news, read them, see them on your lap-top or tv set, and pretty soon you start realizing that reality has nothing to do with the little book your parents and teachers used to instruct you with about the ways of the world.
Crooked politicians all over the world, no matter which country we are talking about, criminals, thieves, corruption at all levels... from the church to the street sweepers, all that wrongdoing, ends up in the hands of justice?
No, right?
Then, a movie being a movie, can end any which way the script writer and director decide to end it.
Whether we like it or not.
victor was a gross psycho. and for entertainment value, thats hard to watch for 2hrs
shareThe thing that bothered me the most, was Victor picking up the gun again when the police came knocking.He must have known that could only make his situation worse. Confronting the police with a gun, when all the bad he had done was sneaking into Elenas appartment. That doesn't make any sense to me. Seems like passion motivated every single action taken by the characters in this movie. All reason is thrown out the window.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know, let's have a spelling contest.
(Tombstone)
But... Abbadon-Hades, isn´t it that PASSION has always been, throughout history, the
fuel that ignited all fool, incomprehensible crimes, even wars??
If there is no passion, there is no crime. People become blind with passion and anything could happen. Nobody THINKS in a fit of rage, or madness (passion is madness --temporary-- let's hope), but madness anyhow.
David Traversa
Yes,I can see what you mean,and I don't disagree in principal. But in this particular case Victor had already put down the gun,and was ready to leave. Even if he hadn't emotionally worked through what had happened,it made absolutely no sense to pick it up again. After all it wasn't the police he had an issue with, but Elena. It just felt simply as a plot device. And as so happens this was the basis for the whole movie. That moment stuck out like a soar thumb to me.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know, let's have a spelling contest.
(Tombstone)
Abbadon-Hades: "A plot device", exactly. In the antiquity it was called "Deus ex Machina" and it all started with Empédocles (490 Before Christ -Agrigento- Italy).
Now we call it "Plot Device" which sounds more up to date and easier to pronounce.
As you see by the date, the artifice has a long trajectory, since Shakespeare used
it --shamelessly-- all the time and (as you, very perceptibly detected in this famous movie).
Please Abbadon-Hades, I beg you!! be more lenient with those poor script writers that, with a lot of sweat and tears work on movie scripts long nights for little remuneration and no medical coverage... they just try to entertain us without thinking too much!! (movies, anyway, are always a bit plebeian no?).
Talking about movies! I want to recommend you TWO. Two Masterpieces of the Spanish
cinema: One extremely funny: "Amor de hombre"-1997- with Loles León, a SUPERB comedy actress, a movie far advanced at the time --even now for some public, like the American Bible-Belt for example!!-- and "Eva"-2011- with Claudia Vega as Eva. It blew my mind. Fantastic Science-Fiction done with impeccable Gusto, beautiful special effects, gorgeous photography and location and spell-binding subject.
On "You Tube" both of them. Enjoy!!
David Traversa
I agree 100%
I know many won't agree but I prefer when Almodovar focuses on women. Those are his best stories. When he tries to do something from a man's point of view, he fails (like in "The broken embraces" and others...)
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I liked this film a lot. 8/10
share1. You think logic is what motivates a man and a woman to have sex with each other?
2. Sancho kept that revelation for himself. He confessed it to Clara who later confessed it to Victor, who was probably too confused on that night to realize what had happened and who had actually fired the shot.
Excellent film that I was glad to rewatch.
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