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Morgan Freeman's Character


I was just wondering if a black person really had this kind of stature in these days?
As far as I am aware, black people didnt have any stature in 1939 in Europe never mind 1839.


Hockey Stick Behind The Ear!

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It wasn't like Freeman/Joadson was depicted as some kind of celebrity or something.

Some free blacks in the North were able to gain prominence, although they certainly faced very serious racism.

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4) You ever seen Superman $#$# his pants? Case closed.

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He was the uncle Tom

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He was a composite character. But the movie shows he wasn't a celebrity just respected by some in the north

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He was a composite character.
Agreed, he played a fictional character. Dramatic license notwithstanding, in this case I don't quite see the point of making him such a central, headlining character to proceedings.🐭

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black people didnt have any stature in 1939 in Europe


Yes they did. There were black lawyers, doctors, Royal Navy captains etc. in Britain before your Civil War! The way white Americans treated black Americans, during their stay in Britain, during WWII, caused a lot of animosity.

"Those Americans are so polite, modest and respectful. It's a shame about the white blokes they've brought with them!" was a common quip.

‘England, is devoid of racial consciousness... [the English] know nothing at all about the conventions and habits of polite society that have developed in the US in order to preserve a segregation in social activity...’ Butcher. (Aide to Eisenhower).

The white Americans were afraid that the black Americans, having been accepted as equals, might get 'uppity' when they returned home. I'd love to think they were right!

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What irony and hypocrisy. You conveniently gloss right over the direct role Great Britain played in establishing slavery in the Americans to begin with, for Britain's ongoing slave trade for the first two centuries after its American colonies were founded, and for the enormous slavery-based profits shipped back to Great Britain from the Americas. Yes, it's a shame that slavery was dumped upon the American colonies by Great Britain to begin with, leaving the newly independent US to deal with what was by then over two centuries of established slavery in those former English colonies, and to eventually have to fight a Civil War to rid itself of Great Britain's "gift". Civil Wars and 600,000+ dead do tend to leave hard feelings for generations, and at the time of the World Wars there were still Americans living who personally remembered or actually took part in the Civil War, or were no more than one generation removed from it. Btw, the slaves didn't free themselves. The vast majority of abolitionists and those who fought and died to finally end slavery in the US were some of those same white Americans you tar with such a broad, cartoonish brush.

It also didn't help matters that Great Britain's enormous appetite for Southern cotton and other plantation-produced goods continued to help support Southern slavery and keep it profitable for the 80 odd years between the American revolution and the Civil War. In the meantime, Great Britain could posture, preen, and claim the moral high ground by not having slavery in its homeland, while at the same time encouraging, supporting, and profiting from slavery overseas.

So much for smug moral superiority.

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Steven Spielberg created Theodore Joadson with Morgan Freeman specifically in mind although Steven did ask Morgan to choose between James Covey and Joadson, knowing that he would pick Joadson which was the case. I think by this time, African-American slaves like Joadson would not only have been free men but also established themselves as those who fought for the abolition of the society they grew up in. So in the end, while Joadson was not a historical character, this person was a representative of former slaves who would have grown to be abolitionists although unlike the film, in real life, African-American abolitionists and white abolitionists could not be in the same group and had their own segregated groups. Also, unless they were on trial, people of African origin could not enter a courthouse at all. Ironically during the making of the film, Morgan told the behind-the-scenes crew that there might be an obligation to tell the story as historically as possible when he himself was not playing a historical character

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