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There are people who actually liked this 'film'...


i just watched this for the 1st time in 11 yrs & i'm in shock to come here expecting this steaming turd of a movie to be ripped apart in every post as it so deserves & there are some of you who seriously liked this more than the original!
i mean, Kubricks was no masterpiece i know. it had its share of issues but COME ON.
everything from the casting(Steven Weber, seriously?)to the dialogue to the pacing of this thing is a joke & a bad one at that.

the little boy in the original would win no prizes(i think it was his 1st film & it showed)but this kid, OMG, ugh.
ugh in every way. i mean, where did they find this kid? was he related to one of the producers? won the part in a contest?
it wasn't so much his performance as it was him in general.

& the way some scenes were stretched out over 10 minutes(to justify 3 nights of viewing i suppose)is insanity. especially the scenes in the lobby of the hotel, OMG talk about never ending! i know that ABC wanted to get their moneys worth but honestly!
the original had some run-on scenes that could have been cut but at least when you got past them, there was genuine creepiness to be enjoyed. not some censor-approved shtick that ABC made sure would appeal to mom & pop.
where the original had this bizarre moodiness about it, this was just pure cheese(the lights just flickered! the chandelier just shook! spooky!). like, let's lose the slaughtered twins & hedge maze & instead have some super cheesy CGI topiary lions(that only get about 60 seconds of screen time total).& they were sorry looking at that.

& how many times can you get the word "Sidewinder" in a script?
i lost count.
i did enjoy Rebecca DeMornay over Shelly Duvall for both her performance & overall appearance. King wrote the character to be much more like the former than the latter anyway.
Elliot Goulds phoned-in performance at the start of the film said it all.
i was laughing out loud it was so bad. but you can't blame an actor when they have nothing else to work with.

so, i guess the people who liked this version over the original, while clearly having zero taste, are lucky to be so easily entertained.

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Ok, Lazy, i respect your opinion, but disrespecting Kubrick like you did is just uncalled for. He's one of the greatest filmmakers of all time.

What the hell is a gigawatt?

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He's one of the greatest filmmakers of all time.

That's an opinion not a fact and I personally believe that there are many better film makers than Stanley Kubrick. And I liked the mini-series more than the orignal version even though the mini-series was really not that great.

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I'm part way through watching the mini series and do like the way it sticks to the book - up to now, anyway!
I respect Jack Nicholson's talent but find him unpleasant to watch (not just because he's not good looking, there are a lot of "plain" actors - Kevin Spacey springs to mind -who I don't mind watching.) There's something a bit creepy about Nicholson.
Dislike "Danny" in both versions!

So on the whole I prefer this version, though I do have the film on DVD as well.

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I liked both versions. Yes Danny is annoying and the actor has been in a couple of b movies. I liked the concept of the mini series.
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I loved the fact that the father gave his own life for his son; something that I hope any parent would do. In that respect I liked that idea better than the Kubrick ending with Jack if not dead would have killed Danny. Yes the end with Danny seeing his father as a ghost at his graduation reminded me of the lame ending in return of the jedi which all the star wars movies in my opinion had lame endings. But at the same time it further showed the bonds between a parent and child which was a bit touching and that Tony was actually Danny in the future was a nice tie up. But the mini series wuld have benifitted from better casting.

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> That's an opinion not a fact and I personally believe that there are many better film makers than Stanley Kubrick.

Hmm, not entirely true. I think when Kubrick is as universally and repeatedly praised by so many influential industry figures, to doubt his genius is a bit silly.

Best film ever made? The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

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Really? Did you just really make of Kubrick by pronouncing his last name as pubic? I know this post is a six years old, but I'm glad this post will be around forever so people can see how *beep* stupid you are.

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The first one was poorly done. Jack looked horrible to start off with and he should have just murdered his family on the way over to the hotel. The ending was also hilarious. If Stanley Pubic or whatever his name is was so great, he really didn't think to(sic) hard of a way to kill Jack in the end. Pulling suggestions out of a hat comes to mind. A 5 year old could come up with a better way to end this movie


Really? Did you just really make fun of Kubrick by pronouncing his last name as "pubic?" I know this post is six years old, but I'm glad this post will be around forever so people can see how *beep* stupid you are.

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Kubrick's film - will always be the definitive version of THE SHINING.

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> A 5 year old could come up with a better way to end this movie.

We're listening ...

Best film ever made? The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

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Lmao Ironclad! I agree, that kid was so annoying!

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I just watched this for the 1st time in 11 yrs & i'm in shock to come here expecting this steaming turd of a movie to be ripped apart in every post as it so deserves & there are some of you who seriously liked this more than the original!

I really liked it because I felt the acting was better, and the story was told. I preferred it to the original.
i mean, Kubricks was no masterpiece i know. it had its share of issues but COME ON.
everything from the casting(Steven Weber, seriously?)to the dialogue to the pacing of this thing is a joke & a bad one at that.

Steven Weber actually did a very good, clever job of playing Jack. He was just so evil. Just look at his crazy expression when he comes out of the elevator, saying "Congratulations, Dick! You're a Publisher's Cleaning House winner! And here's your prize!" That was totally unexpected. And then when he sings to Wendy: "Come along and be my party doll, come along and be my party doll, come along and be my party doll, and I'll make love to you. Oh, Wendy. Do you remember it was our wedding night and I sang that to you in bed? You laughed so hard! You laughed so hard I thought you was gonna wet your pants, not that you were wearing any pants at the time."

And his best bit of acting was when he had Danny cornered, and the only make-up he had on was a bloody gash across his face, and sometimes he looked evil, sometimes he looked normal. And that was the point of the novel! Jack changed back and forth really quickly. Nicholson was evil the whole way through, and, therefore, not scary. I believed that Stephen Weber was trying to fight it. When Nicholson was 'acting', you could tell he was acting, if you get what I mean. I could see how Weber was scary.
the little boy in the original would win no prizes(i think it was his 1st film & it showed)but this kid, OMG, ugh.
ugh in every way. i mean, where did they find this kid? was he related to one of the producers? won the part in a contest?
it wasn't so much his performance as it was him in general.

Neither of them are my Danny, but I did prefer Courtland Mead, mostly because they used him a lot more, and he was a better actor. You can't say 'him in general', because we are supposed to be judging which is better on their performances, the filming etc., so don't bring in 'him in general'. You're basically saying you didn't like him because of the way he looked. So he had an overbite. So what? It's like me saying: "I didn't like Fargo, because Steve Buscemi is 'funny-looking."
& the way some scenes were stretched out over 10 minutes(to justify 3 nights of viewing i suppose)is insanity. especially the scenes in the lobby of the hotel, OMG talk about never ending! i know that ABC wanted to get their moneys worth but honestly!
the original had some run-on scenes that could have been cut but at least when you got past them, there was genuine creepiness to be enjoyed. not some censor-approved shtick that ABC made sure would appeal to mom & pop.
where the original had this bizarre moodiness about it, this was just pure cheese(the lights just flickered! the chandelier just shook! spooky!). like, let's lose the slaughtered twins & hedge maze & instead have some super cheesy CGI topiary lions(that only get about 60 seconds of screen time total).& they were sorry looking at that.

If you have read the book, you will see that some of the scenes are dragged out for a long time. It adds to the suspense and atmosphere. Danny never sees the slaughtered twins in the novel, and there is no maze either. That is why this version is STEPHEN KING's. It is his adaptation. He didn't like Kubrick's, so he wasn't about to keep the Kubrick feel in it. The CGI lions were a let-down for me, because they don't really move in the book. They just sort of looked away, and then the animals were closer. The only time [in the book] they really 'moved' was when they came after Dick near the end.
& how many times can you get the word "Sidewinder" in a script?
i lost count.
i did enjoy Rebecca DeMornay over Shelly Duvall for both her performance & overall appearance. King wrote the character to be much more like the former than the latter anyway.
Elliot Goulds phoned-in performance at the start of the film said it all.
i was laughing out loud it was so bad. but you can't blame an actor when they have nothing else to work with.

What's wrong with saying 'Sidewinder'? I bet you can't count how many times you've said your home-town in you entire life. Or over the gap of six months. Rebecca DeMornay was much better, but then again, she was STEPHEN KING's Wendy. That is how I imagined her in the book to a tee. Well, Ullman's character was supposed to be up his own ass, so that is how he would have acted, especially seeing as he didn't want to hire Jack in the first place; he wanted to seem above him -- that's why they don't shake hands.

The Shining (1980) -- 5/10
The Shining (1997) -- 9/10

Danny: You're not my daddy.
Jack: What a clever little boy it is. Or thinks it is.

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That's my feeling too, reddragon. Let's not forget these people talk about book adaptation more than they talk about cinema. That fan-attitude allows them to display the poorest taste possible, as long as it "sticks to the book", forgetting that a movie, it's like, not exactly like a book. But Kubrick had it coming : he didn't care at all about it (even King's ideas about the film weren't really his concern). Directors usually care, out of respect for the author, or fear that the book's many fans wouldn't forgive them if they changed too many things. But that was Kubrick.

The only two things that annoy me in Kubrick's The Shining are : as it's often mentioned, the fact that Jack Torrance looks like a crazy serial killer right from the start ; and Nicholson's acting, totallly on free wheels. But, aside from that ? His version of the Shining is a masterpiece in every technical aspects, and a monument to scary movies (the elevator blood scene, the art direction with the awful 70s wallpapers, and Shelley Duvall's frightened face should be enough). Comparing it to a 1997 TV mini-series directed by the guy behind Sleepwalkers' adaptation is beyond insanity.

Rebecca DeMornay doesn't excuse everything.

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Still prefer Kubrick's, but this was also pretty good. I don't get why people insist on compare the two versions and not just enjoy both. As much I liked Rebecca De Mornay over Shelley (must say, she's easier on the eyes too), Courtland Mead really annoyed me, and after Danny Lloyd who could act miles ahead...

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This is old as hell but oh well...

You keep saying the original, the thing is the original STORY is the book. and the mini series is made much true to the book and thats why a lot of people like it. Also the hedge, the jack being there in some previous life thing and a bunch of other stuff was NOT from the original. That was all made up for Kubricks film (which by the way I like, I'm rewatching it right now).

So I really think it depends on what you saw/read first and how open you are to other versions.

The mini series was great because it had much longer to develop the characters and consequently show the change, particularly in Jack from being a loving father to a posessed maniac which is just not shown in the film. The film really starts halfway through the book, with Jack already half-way to insanity. Therefore there's not as much effect when he goes crazy, cause he's already half way there! In the mini series for a good couple of hours he's a loving father and has a close relationship with his son so when he goes crazy its like *beep* he's changed a lot!

I don't understand why people have to get so personal about it lol! If you like a movie you do, if you don't thats fine too but it doesnt mean people who do like it have "zero taste". THey just have different taste to you.

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