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I fell asleep during this.... so how did the original Satan's Chimney in Scotland actually work? Thanks

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I personally liked this episode...

The Chimney had a huge stone slab which looked like the ceiling which decended whenever the drawbridge was raised, so it would come down and crush its victims to death, and when people were brought in they would no longer see the body because it is covered by the "new" floor. In present times, the chains used to lower slab would automatically be lifted through the hole in the ceiling, but in the past, they were ropes which would be burned off, which made it look like the victims had been "delivered to hell".

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What didn't seem to be explained (or did I miss it?) was how they then extracted the body.

For instance, the other magician who was supposed to have escaped from the Chimney and called Jonathan in the faked telephone call, and then was found dead in the stream, how did that take place?


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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they reraised the stone slab when all the guests were asleep, loaded the body into the car, and drove it out across the drawbridge, jonathon looked out his window and saw him in his car but the car left hand drive and he was actually propped in the passenger seat not the driving seat, then they dumped the body in the stream as his injuries were from being crushed, broken bones, contusions etc, so it would appear they came from slipping on a stone and falling then being washed along the stream bashing against rocks. the injuries matched was the idea but they simply put the drawbridge up/down again when everyone was asleep and the mechanism lifted away the slab for retrieval and disposal of the body.

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Oh, that makes sense. Thanks Tom!

I forgot that bit about Jonathan seeing him in the car, though now I remember that it struck me as a bit contrived. And the stream was an unfortunate one to choose for location filming - it looked like it hadn't enough current to wash a paper boat across the rocks, let alone a human body, so the business of the stream masking the real source of his injuries wasn't exactly clear to me on first viewing.


You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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lol yes it was a bit of a trickle rather than a torrent of water, but then he could still have slipped an fell an the levels of water in those streams in the highlands can fluctuate. on camping holidays ive seen the level rise in some when it rains, others it rises a few days after the rains as it takes a few days for all the water to come down from the hills and mountains an meet, so it could be they just assume the water level had been higher. or maybe he just didnt have that many injuries, the stone lowered slowly and carefully may have only suffocated and broken a few ribs before the body supported the weight. probably damage to the skull and ribs which are first place the stone would rest, maybe a few other snaps, but this could still be covered by a fall. when crossing those streams people often try to stand on larger stones abouve the water level to avoid getting wet, but the stones may still be wet and slippery from water splashing on them and you can fall, as my sister did in the lake district and nearly ended up in hospital herself. really the safest way to cross is tred in the water on the small pebbles, they spread your weight over them an give way less rather than sliding across the smooth surface of a larger stone. anyways yes maybe the injuries would be strange and not match entirely, but with no reason to suspect foul play, no motive for murder, its plausible it could just be written off as anamolous injuries, improbable from such a fall, but not impossible :p as jonathon might say. it was only with understanding who might have a reason to want to harm him and a plausible chain of events of how he could of died with those injuries that it comes to light that it was foul play. if the police didnt know about a big heavy stone falling from someones ceiling, it would be hard to figure how someone found in the middle of nowhere might have been crushed by some kind of mill stone lol, not enough pieces of the puzzle.

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What struck me as odd was the total lack of blood. If a mammoth stone slab that weighs goodness knows how much comes down and crushes a person, surely some blood would come out, especially if the skull were crushed. I guess maybe they engineered it so that the stone slab didn't go all the way down, minimizing blood expulsion and reducing cleanup time.

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yes, the lack of blood is weird, i think maybe that is a mistake and they just didnt want to make the scene gory, but again, the stone was moving very slowly, it didnt strike the body, it could have simply come to rest on the body and crushed and suffocated without causing any lacerations as would happen if you fell hard against a stone or were struck suddenly. in which case it would be accurate there would not have been much blood, though there probably in reality would have been at least some coming from the mouth if the lungs were damaged struggling for breath. i forget the time and place but there was a method of execution which essentially was to place weights on someones chest so they couldnt breath in and they would die with almost no injury, as opposed to say hanging or beheading, theyd simply asphyxiate, it could be the same happened, that some of the stones weight was already supported so it simply sat atop the body causing death, or the chains stopped it ever so slightly above the ground. so i think it could be an accurate depiction, but it depends on preference, after all with television, especially a show from a decade ago, there would have been some desire to not be too gory, so something that in reality would cause a lot of blood might only cause some blood, and something which may cause some blood may cause no blood. still it could be accurate with how slowly the stone moves, after all a rather large weight can be held by something rather weak if it is lowered very gradually, even something that would be splattered by a smaller weight being dropped forcefully on it.

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the problem for me is the one foot+ thick false floor -- the ladder would be noticeably longer. the other is any thing flattened by the false floor would be on the thin side, or just pulverized, and not at all recognizable.

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reading these comments I can see that we Creek fans are intelligent and actually think things out. Great series- and thoughtful viewers who are not content just to sit and gawk at the TV!! We think!! Hope they make more episodes....

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Except that nobody would put a ladder down there. The relatives of the victims would see 4 piles of ashes and then the door would be closed, the ceiling raised again, and the body removed by some local crew.

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I just assumed he had been scared to death rather than anything else. When the floor's raised, when Jonathan sees him in the car, when they see the body in the stream, there's nothing to suggest he's actually been physically crushed by a massive stone slab. I liked the general idea of this episode (the fact that the ladder would have been a different height is the sort of annoying flaw you hope they might have got away with), but the fact they needed to extract this man's body to be found outside ruined it for me. It would have been so much more chillingly effective if Jonathan had worked it out - and they suddenly realised where the missing man was. Flattened to a pulp directly beneath their feet!

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Am i the only one who thought it strange that the germ fearing american actor who makes alot of money would be part of this scheme?

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Good point ref the ladder appearing longer when the false floor had been lowered... but I suppose to get around that, the inventors of the contraption could have used two ladders: one long for when the false floor was raised high and one short for when the false floor had been lowered. The difference between the two ladders would be the exact thickness of the false floor... that way the top of each ladder would always appear level with the opening in the wall.

That's what I would have done anyway... ;)

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A long rope ladder which when thrown down unraveled but left some still bunched up on the floor would have worked too, as no one is going to messure how much of the ladder is left unraveled, it would look the same with the fake floor down.

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i cant think of his name right now but isnt there a pro athlete in the states, a seriously wealthy one, who right now is being investigated for not just one murder, he apparently got into an argument outside a bar in florida and shot someone dead, then later killed his brother in law who was a witness to the first murder and might have been about to come clean, and he was undone by the fact his own surveillance camera revealed that he left and returned at the time of the brother in laws murder. i dont think bank balance is enough to change basic human motives of loyalty to a friend or revenge etc, they affect people of all tax brackets. if you mean might he have hired someone else to do it for him as usually happens in drama, well, then there is even more risk, now you have the risk of the person you approach to do it turning you in, and the risk that once you find the right person they might grow a conscience and turn you in. at the end of the day, there is that old saying, if you want a job done right, do it yourself.

the germ phobia is the most relevant, but it could show he is haunted by what he knows happened, people tend to become more prone to such things when they are generally in a weakened mental state or already using their will power to hold another mental demon at bay, it could be that his germ phobia was in some way a symptom of his guilt or troubled mind and the reason he was involved in this plot in the first place was to address what haunted him.

like most things in tv/movies, its down to personal preference wether you agree with the writers etc.

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