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Kate's version Vs. Gwyneth


I prefer Kate's

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Definitely prefer the A&E version (Beckinsale), although the other one is amusing. The latter version is "fluff", with cardboard-thick characters. The character of Harriet is "read" as a nincompoop, rather than gentle and naive (Morton's reading, as well as the original text).

Mr. Northam is witty, of course. (Who can resist the remark about not shooting his dogs?!) Mr. Strong, however, displays both the attractive personality (and yes, he is quite handsome), AND the moral rectitude and depth of the novel's Mr. Knightley. His rebuke of Emma following the debacle at Box Hill rings true. So does his eventual marriage proposal.

I always assumed that Emma was fair (i.e. blonde) because of the reference to her hazel eyes.

Mr. Woodhouse (A&E) captures the fearfulness and childishness of advancing senility very well. His counterpart (Miramax) simply chuckles and smiles his way through the film.

I shall "award the palm" to Miss Paltrow on one count, nonetheless. Her perpetual smugness and superciliousness toward everybody other than her father, Mr. and Mrs. Weston, and Mr. Knightley, grate on my nerves, just as I imagine the "real" Emma would have done. Yet having said that, I must amend my opinion to say that Miss Paltrow "overplayed" Emma's conceit. Miss Beckinsale underplayed it by comparable degree.

At Box Hill, Miss Beckinsale's delivery of the insult to Miss Bates struck me as more genuine. She looked around at her audience, nervously awaiting a supportive laugh from at least one person.

In both versions, Mr. Elton was "so-so." The actor in the Miramax version "read" the character as rather silly. The actor in the A&E version better displays Mr. Elton's underlying smallness and malice.

Juliet Stevenson (name correct?) steals scenes as Mrs. Elton! Go watch her in "Nicholas Nickleby" for scenes of potent fury.

A&E's Jane Fairfax is a beautiful actress. Miramax cast a woman who was twenty years too old, at least.

Could write still more, but my son needs the computer.

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I've only seen Kate's, not Gwyneth's, but suspect that I wouldn't be very impressed by the Hollywood version from the picture shown of Gwyneth shooting her cupid's arrow! I never saw Gwyneth's Great Expectations either but from her sexy photo shown on the DVD cover, suspect it would be best if I never did and that Charles Dickens is probably rolling over in his grave! I don't have an axe to grind with Gwyneth herself and find her very pretty.

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I've rambled about this already in another thread...but let me just say I absolutely HATE the KB version. I wish I didn't but the characters are just so unlikable and the romance unromantic. The film version of Emma is my absolute favorite Austen adaptation but the television version is positively my least favorite. They almost seem like different stories with very different characters.

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They really do seem to come from different sources, don't they? But I find KB's Emma a lot closer to Austen.

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One aspect of GP's version that I preferred was the portrayal of Mr. Knightley as a GENTLE man -- in KB's version, much as I like Mark Strong, Mr. Knightley was irascible.
Mr. Knightley would not find fault with Frank Churchill to Mr. Weston, and he would not intervene to prevent Frank Churchill from making Jane Fairfax exhaust herself performing.
Mr. Knightley only showed his irritation to Emma.
The scene in GP's version where Mr. Knightley approaches Miss Bates to spare Jane is straight from the book.
I preferred the greater attention to the Jane Fairfax/Frank Churchill story in KB's version, as well as the portrayals of Mr. Woodhouse and Jane Fairfax.
I love Juliet Stevenson but she wasn't nearly as reach-into-the-film-and-strangle-the-b1tch-infuriating as Lucy Robinson (did I get her name right?) -- again, maybe because she had far less screen-time.
But -- who can beat Sophie Thompson as Miss Bates in GP's version?
I suspect that the GP version is more romantic, in that it's sun-kissed and shows off the countryside as an idyllic haven, but KB's is more grounded in the period.

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Prunella Scales gives Sophie Thompson a run for her money! As for Mr. Knightley, the look that Mark Strong gives Mr. Elton after he is so rude to Harriet Smith at the ball at the Crown - perfect, just perfect. And while it's true that Mr. K got Miss Bates to get Jane to stop singing, before that he said -

Towards the end of Jane's second song, her voice grew thick.

"That will do," said [Mr. Knightley], when it was finished, thinking aloud "You have sung quite enough for one evening; now, be quiet."

I do agree that Mr. K should not have criticized FC to his father. Nevertheless, I like Mark Strong as the UNobvious leading man. Northam is an excellent Knightley but it's just TOO obvious from the beginning that he's the man for Emma. I don't know if it's the director's vision - but it's not my vision. And I just cannot get past Alan Cumming.

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Yes, Mr. Knightley thought Jane Fairfax should stop singing, but he did not tell her to do so, and he did not confront Frank Churchill. He spoke what he was thinking, but the only person who might have heard him was Emma, until:
"Mr. Knightley grew angry.
" 'That fellow,' said he indignantly, 'thinks of nothing but shewing off his own voice. This must not be.' And touching Miss Bates, who at that moment passed near - 'Miss Bates, are you mad, to let your niece sing herself hoarse in this manner? Go, and interfere. They have no mercy on her.'
"Miss Bates in her real anxiety for Jane, could hardly stay even to be grateful, before she stept forward and put an end to all further singing. ..."
(chapter 26)
As I said, I like Strong, but I don't approve of Davies re-writing the character to be impatient, irritable and pushy. [I also liked that neither Strong nor Northam was conventionally attractive.]
Alan Cumming -- ? He seemed a little comic, didn't he? Elton took himself very seriously; I'm surprised that Cumming played him as a bit of a buffoon. Of course Elton *was* a buffoon, but he did not see himself that way. And in Cumming's performance, Elton seemed almost apologetic about his bulldozer wife, whereas the actor in the BBC version behaved more as I read the character in the book.

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He did intervene but quietly got Miss Bates to stop Jane from exhausting herself instead of making a scene.

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I agree that neither performance is completely satisfying but I prefer Gwyneth's. Kate's Emma was too vinegar-y.

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Kate's! It was much better and closer to the book. I usually love Gwyneth but her version was just....I don't know. It did nothing for me.

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Gwynneth's is the choc box version and Kate's is the gritty/realism version. Neither one is quite right, imo; I think something in between would probably work better.

I have HIGH hopes for the new BBC Emma that is going into production soon. Sandy Welch, who wrote the script for North & South starring Richard Armitage, just completed the script for the new mini series that is set to air in UK in fall 2009.

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I absolutely prefer Kate's. Not only is Gwyneth's absurdly Hollywood-ized (that SHOULD be a word, haha), but the characters all seem so bland to me... idk, they just didn't seem to have as much personality. I know people don't like Kate's Emma because she was "too unlikeable", etc., but if you read the book she's even worse. Gwyneth's Emma hardly seemed to change from the beginning of the movie to the end. Maybe GwEmma learns a lesson or two, but you can actually see KEmma's whole personality changing. Another argument against KP's version is that Mark Strong's Knightley is "too angry". Once again, I refer you to the book - JN's Knightley seems almost weak in comparison.
But all of that is nothing compared to the way they shove things in your face and blow them out of proportion in the GP version, presumably in an attempt to make the movie more enjoyable: Ms. Bates is flamboyantly silly, Emma's father is a total prig, Mr. Elton is so blatantly obvious about his intentions concerning Emma that she seems a simpleton for not seeing them. I felt rather patronized by it, to sum up. It seemed an attempt to appeal to the masses, and there's nothing special about that.
And that's not even mentioning Frank Churchill's hair... :)


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Kate's all the way


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