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Original Music Is Completely Gone From The New Reruns


Great job, MTV.

"That's the karma again, I didn't help Kenny so she beat me up with a telephone"

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After

1. the dvd release

2. repeats on logo (Which is viacom owned as well) without the original music

3. Nickelodeon's (which is also Viacom) All That repeats on teenNick without the music performances at the end


Did you really expect mtv classic to be able to keep it?

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Yes. Yes, I did.

Viacom has billions of dollars and this was advertised this as a return to form for MTV.

"That's the karma again, I didn't help Kenny so she beat me up with a telephone"

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Yes, they have billions

but they also spend billions for our entertainment

The entertainment business isn't cheap, ya know?


A billion to Viacom is like $10 to me, it's not much


it's not cost efficient to re-license all those songs


And if you were watching Daria for it's original music, then you're watching it for the wrong reason.

Watching Daria for it's background music is like reading playboy for the articles or watching porno for the storyline

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If you took the music out a lot of movies, they'd fall flat their face. If you took the music out a John Hughe's movie, it wouldn't have the same charm. The creators put those songs in there for specific purposes, in a lot of scenes.

And while the creator would agree about licensing costs, he also felt it took away from a lot of the show's identity and make the viewing experience very odd.

"99 percent of the music has been changed, because the cost of licensing the many music bites we used would have made it impossible to release the collection (and for many years did)." He compared it to an episode of The Twilight Zone where the astronaut comes home, and his wife can't figure out what's different about him, "... until it dawns on her that instead of a cool song from 1997 playing ... it's some tune she's never heard. Yeah, it's just like that."

All this said, their treatment of Clone High, a 13 episode show that consisted of obscure, cheap, Canadian indie rock, was insipid. That's just lazy.

"That's the karma again, I didn't help Kenny so she beat me up with a telephone"


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I like a nice backstory in my porno.

But yes daria is a great show either without. And the smartest most sincere cartoon.
Ever. Imo

But the music was so cool and was such a part of it. It's a little less special now.

Beavis. The videos were the framework around which their insanely masterful depiction of their stupid banter was presented.

Ahhh I miss those great days. Now it's all braless and teen mom crap and mainstram garbage videos

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After

1. the dvd release

2. repeats on logo (Which is viacom owned as well) without the original music

3. Nickelodeon's (which is also Viacom) All That repeats on teenNick without the music performances at the end


Did you really expect mtv classic to be able to keep it?


Copyright laws are different for TV broadcasts and DVD releases/internet streaming services.

The original music licensing agreements should still be in effect, strictly for television broadcasts.

That's why a show like "Mama's Family" (for example) can air unedited on TV, but the DVD versions have several edits to remove music.

So aside from laziness and perhaps censorship, there's no reason for MTV to air the DVD edits of Daria.

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Copyright laws are different for TV broadcasts and DVD releases/internet streaming services.

The original music licensing agreements should still be in effect, strictly for television broadcasts.

That's why a show like "Mama's Family" (for example) can air unedited on TV, but the DVD versions have several edits to remove music.

So aside from laziness and perhaps censorship, there's no reason for MTV to air the DVD edits of Daria.


then how come

Showtime's LGBT Show "Queer As folk" was unable to keep it's music on Showtime repeats and Netflix, But their DVDS are able to keep the original soundtrack?


obviously, it depends on what kind of deal the networks made with the record labels

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lol, i can't even remember half the songs they used on the show without looking it up online

I just don't see the big deal

the songs had 0 meaning to the storyline and were just there for show and little to no meaning to the actual storyline. The songs didn't affect what the characters were doing

like this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYbhaFbfMtw

The music was just there for background purposes and serves no meaning to the storyline, so i just don't see the big deal with it being replaced

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Well some people do, or else there wouldn't be people working on restoration projects. Right?

"That's the karma again, I didn't help Kenny so she beat me up with a telephone"

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Yes the show is still great without the music, but for me the music is an added bonus to the nostalgia. Even in small bites.

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I remember when Daria used to air on The-N about 10 years ago, and it had all the original music. Seems to me that MTVC is rerunning the versions that were put on DVD. Why? Who knows? It may just be more convenient. But I'm pretty sure it has to do with Viacom not wanting to pay out compensation to music publishers and record labels again.

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sigh

why is including this great music such an offense???? and the vidoes on beavis and butthead also! MTV is music! one would think that thye above all others would be able to preservce that part of the show!!!


and I don't think they bands wouild object. many were not mainstream and seemed the airplay would do them good.


I'm sure there is some stupid legal made up reason, but I haven't been able to figure it out. Movies and tv shows all keep their music in all its various forms why cant two shows created for MTV?!?!??!?!?

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and I don't think they bands would object.


it still may not be up to the bands. it's the record label's that are greedy

even if the bands did write their songs, or own the song, They may not own the recorded version that was played on the shows.



Even singer Brandy had to re-record vocals from "the boy is mine" for an EDM mash up of that and A Destiny's child song because her former label wouldn't licesne the original recording But because Brandy wrote the lyrics, they can't stop her from re-recording it

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I hate lawyers. They are going to bring about the end of civikization eventually.

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I know i said it wasn't a big deal to me that the music was replaced and it still isn't.


BUT..... mtv has episodes on their youTube with the original music intact


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VylrvPhgS2E



at the 1:50 mark, Liquid Liquid's "Cavern" is playing. and it's not on the dvd


so something really doesn't add up here

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I hate lawyers. They are going to bring about the end of civikization eventually.


Everyone hates lawyers until they need one. Remember, there wouldn't be a need for lawyers if someone somewhere didn't feel like their rights (whether it be civil rights or copyright) were being trampled on.

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I didn't mean all lawyers. Just most. The ones that stand up for those truly wronged, put away the criminals and defend our Rights. I'm all for. I'm speaking of the ones who are onky in it for money. That work to knowingly get off those they know are guilty , lawsuits off of deaths where there was no willful negligence, corporate lawyers, you know what I'm talking about. Those. The sociopathic money driven no matter the cost. The divorce lawyers where nothing is off limits in the course of victory and money and reputation. Their actions permeate eevyry level of society. And ironically when their actions bring about the end of civilization. Their kind will be among those who have absolutely nothing to offer in that new world and consequently will be the first to die and or be eaten.

But oh well no on cares.

Heil trump!

Our tiny fisted king!

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Do you happen to know many lawyers or are your ideas on actual lawyers coming from the worst stereotypes portrayed on TV? Granted, I met my fair share of awful people who become effective lawyers. But I met my fair share of awful people in every walk of life. As a lawyer, we're only a product of what people want, so in a sense, we're the embodiment of people's worst excesses at worst. Some are in it for the money, but law school debt is very real and a lot of people need to pay it off. Most lawyers I know come from very humble beginnings and many of those are the first to graduate college and then graduate school and law school in their families and they did not have financial support to help them along the way. Also, all kinds of vocations exploit a need for monetary gain, so that's not special just to lawyers.

I do find your thinking a bit simplistic as there has been a lot of research done on district attorney's offices and the institutional pressures of putting people away who should not be put away and the rate of wrongful convictions and who is most vulnerable to those. Defense attorneys may find themselves defending those who most people would not want to defend, but it is having a defense is a constitutional right and it'd be better to ensure people are put away after exhausted their available defenses to the fullest to be more sure that if someone is put away then they are put away after every precaution is taken. If some people get away with it, then it's pointing out either a weakness in the law or the shaky case that was built against people to begin with. Some people have their own person limits on what case they can take on, but everyone deserves a defense.

As for divorce attorneys, they are only a product of the anger and bitterness of the parties involved. You may think they are fanning the flames, but at the same time, they are certainly helped by the parties' unwillingness to mediate and to dissolve their union peacefully. By the time lawyers are involved, communication has already broken down and it's not the fault of the lawyer that that has happened.

People also talk a lot about tort (injury claims) and wrongful death suits, but many states actually have done what they can to make it really difficult for rightful claimants to sue for injuries. Also, after studying medical malpractice or other sorts of negligence claims I was taken aback at how much more common malpractice is than what people realize.

As for your idea of a new world order and how lawyers will be the first eaten, wouldn't be the first time that idea has been proffered. Waiting for that to happen.

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I mean the end of civilization. Not a new world order.

And I know lawyers and I know there are good folks in the oreofession. But many of us have school debt to deal with and still keep our integrity.

One issue is how the threat of litigation permeates every level of existence. I'm not simple minded. I'm actually the opposite. For me to explain how it permeates every facet of our life would take a Thesis to explain. So why don't you just think about it and see if you reach the same conclusion. And if not then explain how it doesn't

There are layers and layers of jobs that are nothing more than ensuring regulatory compliance and risk management t and dealing with appearance or resolution of potential lawsuits. Employees have Beene programmed not to think. Just follow the sop and don't deviate. Even if it cause harm or cost money or is inefficient. At least we won't be liable if you follow the sop.

And that's not to speak of those who after they pay off their debt they keep on making obscene amounts of money by unethical standards. M

I understand there's pressure and so on. But it comes across more as rationalization than a justification.


You can keep your integrity and still make a good living. But it's never enough. It's hard to make a boat load of money by being honest and doing good works with a law degree, but you can make the world a better place. But offttth. Who cares about that?

I'd rather be able to sleep at night. Than be mega rich at the cost of others and society as whole. But most don't care. They rationalize it away and lie to themselves to do what they do and never think about. Or they're sociopaths and don't have the capacity to be bothered by their self serving actions. But that's s topic for a whole nother thesis. The large number of sociopaths that are gonna kill us all soon.

Oh and how the pursuit of money is at the top of our pyramid for most of the world. At all cost. Environment. Extinction of many species. Society. Civilization. Rampant greed until we destroy it all.

Those three elements are really driving us headlong into the end of cvilization. Very soon. I should write a book.

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And here is a direct influence lawyers have that will play a part in the end of civilization. The American psychiatric association will not allow its members to or did not allow them, to publically give a diagnosis, psychoanalyze or give their opinion on the psychological make up of Trump. Because in the past they did so and were sued by Goldwater and he actually won when members came out and declared him unfit for office.

So the threat of lawsuit is worse than attempting to make a good faith effort to save humanity from this mentally unstable, sociopathic, narcissistic, impulsive, simple minded, insecure, misogynist, 70 year old child leading the free world (and the world in general) into oblivion.

and its not just lawyers, but they have played a part in dumbing down society (among many other things) to the level they cant even think for themselves or worry about looking up from their phones to cross the street. No someone else will always take care of me and I'm a pedestrian. pedestrians always have the right of way. Right!?!?!? So if someone hits me ill just sue cause they were in the wrong. never mind that you may never walk again or the damn fact no one seems to be aware of that pedestrians do not always have the right of way!!!!. ay caramba

I'm really truly sad to see all the beauty in our miracle of a planet die and no one cares or has the power to stop what is happening. Money is just the most important thing to so many. sigh

oh here's the link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/07/the-american-psychiatric-association-reminds-its-doctors-no-psychoanalyzing-donald-trump/?utm_term=.3a2a2ccba213

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