What did Ali say to Don King after the fight???
That infamous scene, where Ali says something to don king and don kings smile immediately disapears, what was said??? will anyone ever know?? does anyone even know??
anything would be appreciated
Ali said, "Thanks for the non-legitimate ring with the loosened ropes. And thanks having Foreman show up completely out of shape."
shareBut seriously, does anyone know where i might find this out?
IT MUST have significance if they recreated it in the Ali movie with will smith
thats a good question.. iv always wondered that too..
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I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that he said - "Fu*k you, man. Fu*k you."
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wow rly! thats awesome, i hope it rly was that, his face is priceless
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i've always wondered that myself....if you know a lip reader perhaps he can help us find out.
it takes a lot to shut Don King up but whatever Ali said did the trick.
The only footage of the aftermath (that I know of) shows the back of Ali's head when he said whatever it was to Don King. So lipreading won't help.
But true, it takes something special to shut up Don King. Whatever he said took less than a second though, so it must've been 'short and sweet' :P
What's Don King doing up there anyway, trying to congratulate him?
As Ali said himself: 'I know he's your man, I know you got him picked. But the man's in trouble.' (about Foreman being King's favorite)
Don King tricked Mike Tyson, but Ali wouldn't be tricked by that manipulative money-grabber. He just told him like it is.
"Don King tricked Mike Tyson, but Ali wouldn't be tricked by that manipulative money-grabber. He just told him like it is. "
I always thought that too, how Ali never let himself get manipulated by such a creature, and poor tyson succumbed to him and wrecked his life, ..sigh..what could of been!
"...8 year olds, dude..." -Walter , The Big Lebowski (1998)
He was tricked by King to some extent.
sharedont be stupid, big george was in best shape of his life for that fight, he said so himself, that he never felt more secure, more good about himself, and so selfconfident before ali.
pocomarc -- everyone has yapped and yapped about the 'illegally loosened ropes' that allowed ali to lay back so foreman couldn't get at ali
well, dick sadler was no dummy and was an excellent trainer and i have no doubt was telling foreman to stop banging away at ali as he lay back on the ropes ... the tradition, and it is rarely rarely ever broken is that the challenger must knock out the champ to win ... so sadler was certainly smart enough to tell foreman to just stand back, stand back and wait for ali to come off the ropes and have to come after foreman ... foreman didn't have to go after ali to win ... it was the opposite ... ali had to beat foreman and if foreman wasn't going to come after ali on the ropes, ali would have to break his own strategy and come after foreman ...
and the rope-a-dope was certainly ali's very own strategy as angelo dundee was beside himself in the corner as was even ali's personal sycophant bundini brown pleading with him to get off the ropes despite all week and even just before the fight (repeated by normal mailer and george plimpton) that he (ali) was 'gonna dance' and everyone was chanting and getting into the spirit as prior to this the ali dressing room was described as 'a morgue', as a lamb being led to the slaughter ... then ali turned it all around ... and then went out and did the opposwite ... ali did engage foreman in the first round and here and there but then ali laid back and let foreman swing himself to exhaustion and it only took three good shots and that was it, foreman leaned forward and toppled like a tree ...
this fight was a true testament to the granite abdominal region that ali was known for when he was in his truly great shape ... rumors of 2,000 to 5,000 situps/crunches every day ... he could take gut shots from foreman, frazier, norton, ellis, holmes, liston, and any great heavyweight you could name from this last great era of great heavyweights ... the lower ranks became the great ranks after this and then the boxing sport dwindled down to the staggering corpse it is today ...
so were the ropes illegally loosened? didn't look like it from all the fights that ali fought in after the foreman fight ... ali was laying back just as far on those ropes as the ones in Zaire so the over-loosened ropes accusations is pretty silly ...
the real finger to be pointed at is the one to be thrust at foreman for letting his emotions get away from him and wanting to pummel ali to ground beef ... you hear him complain earlier in the film of ali teaching the africans to chant 'A-li, Boma ye!' was disrespectful and negative ... ummm yeah sure thing george ... but i think this points to the beginnings of his fury rising and rising and being unable to be controlled and it continues into the fight where by round four and certainly bty round five, as attested to plimpton and mailer' that foreham was *beep* his arms were dead and he was exhausted, out on his feet .. this is when ali popped off the ropes and started to drill him with fierce and rapier jabs and all out blasts from his deadly fists ... everyone can talk about how much harder foreman could punch but the speed by which ali's fists are coming at you have plenty of power, they call it 'bat-speed' in baseball ... it's not the size of the bat you use, it's the speed you can generate when swinging ... foreman's punches were indeed powerful but they were slow and easily dodged by ali with a simple flick of his head and foreman's blow simply glanced off while ali's punches were lightning bolts, you could see them only once they'd completed their course and struck their target and foreman had no chance to avoid them but could only take them, full on, square in the face, and once he was exhausted in the fifth round, ali simply chose his spots and pummeled the hapless slow-witted and slow-framed champ into the canvas, leaving the last punch held over the falling tree, the punch never thrown, complete class, ready just in case but in such control he didn't just throw it to make sure ... truly one of the most miraculous non-motions in the history of sports
cormac_zoso G-ddammm that is some good writing by Mr. Zoso. Spot on about "the punch never thrown."
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