Who thinks this is bad?


I'm just wondering because this got a mildly high rating. I thought the first half was really good but the second half was horrible and Asia's acting in the second half was purely abysmal.

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Well, it's definitely Argento's weirdest and most disturbing movie!

So disturbing, in fact, that even after several viewings I still haven't been able to determine whether I actually like it or not...

The only thing I'm sure about is that Thomas Kretschmann did a mighty effective job as the main villain whereas Asia's acting indeed seemed a bit off at times.

Know what? I'm gonna re-watch it again right now to make sure!

:-)

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Acting ability is not important to dario argento. You have to just get over that because even if there was good acting it's all dubbed over anyway. The most important things are the camera work -- incredible the way he can present scenes. It really is like you are there. Also, the strange and dark way you feel when you are watching - like you are dreaming. You also have to be comfortable with watching someone lose their mind and with watching what horrible things caused that to happen... but that's argento. If you're gonna watch a horror film (or in this case horror/phychological thriller), you know what to expect.

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This is definitely a film that doesn't immediately lend itself to being liked. It refuses to conform to standard narrative conventions, moreso in my opinion than any other Argento film, and the second half is definitely very different from the first, but a natural progression if you view the entire film as being seen through the eyes of Asia's character. Essentially, she becomes more and more gripped with the Stendhal Syndrome, and as a result the film makes less and less sense as it continues.

By the way, most of the supposed problems with Asia's acting can be attributed to the fact that some genius decided to re-dub her for the English language releases. Try watching the Italian version with subtitles: although the lip sync doesn't work, it's her own voice on the soundtrack and therefore her performance seems vastly superior.

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Actually, she loses the Stendhal Syndrome halfway through. It is gone once she starts becoming him. That is why she goes to the art store and is flipping through the paintings. She is now into art in a different way. I agree with you all the way about the dubbing. That is why I said above about the camera work, etc being more important than acting, etc.

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I disagree. She says it's gone, but in my opinion she is in fact becoming even more under the control of the Syndrome. There's even a possible interpretation where Alfredo isn't real: he's merely a physical manifestation of the Syndrome.

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Kind of like presciption drugs are used to stop something from happening, some people get hooked on the effect of the drug instead, and therefore their problem is now transformed - not gone away. Same as the effect of the Stendhal Syndrome = she's turned into a different person, but someone who still has the syndrome.

That's above all, why you just have to love Argento all the way. His movies are unarguably fascinating. He has talent for anything he attempts. Anything he sets his mind to, he can do well. People just use unrealistically high standards, not always considering he's from a completely different country.


"Carol, one word of advice: send Cindy to a special school"

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After two poorly reviewed films ('Trauma' and 'Two Evil Eyes') Argento has finally done it right.

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I don't think it was bad. Now, I've got to say I'm an admirer of Argento's work in the first place. In this director's filmography, I've got to say that this film suprised me, in a good way. Looking back, I must admit that the ending is a much different film than the beginning. I think this is probably good. A film that is too much of the same thing can be oppressive, and I think that would be the case with this film. I think the final scene is total redemption for the slight predictability and cliche of the plot of the second half.

I have only seen it once. I am kind of waiting for it to come out on a good R1 disc, the Troma is depressingly bad.

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This movie most certainly isn't bad. In my humble opinion; it's simply fantastic. I do admit that I find the english audio a little annoying, but once I got the Italian DVD it's all better. Asia herself does the audio there. I can't agree with you that she gives a bad performance in the second half, I think she's very good throughout.

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I agree, jbjorns. The italian DVD is soooo much better than all these stupid dubbed versions.

I think Asia's acting was pretty solid throughout the movie too, but I think Kretschmann definitely delivered the best performance.

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I even tend to proclaim that it's Dario's best work to date. The most disturbing one.

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Good film, it seems the purpose is not making money, but trying to search deeply in human feelings.
About the sound : i have a french dvd with audio in frenche or in english. It seems to be an italian movie, with a lot of italian actors, but when i look carefully at the lips, they fit with the english audio. Can somebody explain that to me ? Was it filmed in english or what ?

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It was standard practice in Italy for decades to do voice overdubs for every single film they shot - no matter what. The primary versions of the films were always the ones with English overdubs - the characters were speaking English when they shot the film - the audio just wasn't captured then. So, the "horrible overdubbed version" people are complaining about is actually the original version of the movie - the way it's meant to be seen.

This is how all of Dario Argento's movies are, as well as a lot of other Italian films. It's actually kind of one of the main characteristics that gives his films their strange, surreal feel. I've grown to love it.

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This is, in my humble opinion, Argento's finest film since Profondo Rosso.

"You think that when you die, you go to Heaven? You come to us!"

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HI! I just had to tell ya, I looked up the quote from your reply and I've never seen Phantasm two but I am putting it on my netflix - Phantasm was my first horror film.. I was 5 years old. I loved it. anyway - if you ever read this = thanks for reminding me and I'll look forward to part two.

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No worries. Honestly, Phantasm 2 is a hundred times better than the original so I think you'll be very pleased. Well, it's not as creepy and it's a bit more action-based, but it still think it surpasses the original. Glad to be of help.

"You think that when you die, you go to Heaven? You come to us!"

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The first time I saw the film - Troma DVD - it haunted me. The way Argento places us inside the main character's experience, dislocating time and space, makes it impossible for the viewer to remain complacent. We're jolted into this unspeakable nightmare of sexual violence and Argento is relentless. The first time through I wondered what was going on. But the film is so compelling I couldn't shake it. Since then I've watched the film a number of time and understand its reality a bit better. One thing, though, I did understand at once: this is the only Argento film that ends with a sense of hope. At the final moment of the film when the police converge on Asia Argento, one is conditioned to expect tragedy. But no, the police are shown to be angels of mercy. That last shot may be the most emotionally charged image in all of this director's films. I find it moving, disarmingly so. After all she's been through, we leave the film feeling that there's hope for this woman. This may be Argento's most underrated film.

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Stendhal Syndrome is one of Aregento's wildest movis in my opinion.

It kind falters in the second half though.

Some amazing and truly twisted murder scenes though.

Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead.

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