sidney's mom : billy
casey + steve : billy
attempt murder on sidney : stu
mr himbry : stu
tatum : billy
kenny : stu
attempt murder on dewey : billy
Am I right ?
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I think Stu killed Casey because Kevin Williamson said he did and it would just be more creepy if she was looking into the eyes of her ex-boyfriend after she pulled off the mask. I also tend to go with Stu because Billy seemed to be the one who got knocked on the head with the phone and I don't think he had enough time to get up and jump through the window. I think Stu also killed Steve, because he had more reason to kill him.
Maureen and Himbry are difficult to tell. Billy had more of a motive, but I'm sure Stu would've wanted to join in as well. As for Himbry, I really have no idea. Maybe Stu, because he seemed to be in it for the thrill of killing, while Billy's motive was revenge.
Other than that, I agree with you.
I think Stu killed Casey
Billy was also with Sidney. Stu could've done the same thing. First kill Casey and Steve and then go to his girlfriend's house. The consensus among fans seems to be that both were there at Casey's house and I agree with that.
shareSidney's Mother: We don't see it, so there are no visual or aesthetic clues. Billy says "We killed her exactly one year ago today", so......
Casey/Steve: All I'm guessing is that they each killed one. Williamson said Stu killed Casey, which would mean Billy probably did Steve, but somehow I think it works better the other way around. Also, a while back, a poster pointed out how the way the killer holds the knife while stabbing Casey on the porch perfectly mirros the way Billy holds the knife when he's about to stab Sidney at the end, right before Gale shoots him.
Sidney's Attack (Home): Stu. One of the easier ones.
Sidney's Attack (Bathroom): Prankster.
Himbry: This is probably the most ambiguous, but the way it's done just screams Billy to me. Granted, it could have been either, but Stu is likely inviting people to his party at this time, while Billy's whereabouts are unknown for this whole portion of the movie.
Tatum: Billy. Almost everybody agrees about this one.
Kenny: Stu. With one exception (see below), it was almost certainly him for the whole climax, including here.
Dewey's Stabbing: I'll go with Billy. People say he was upstairs the whole time, but would he really just be sitting up in the bedroom, playing dead the whole time while Stu was running around having all the "fun" outside? Plus the subsequent scene, with the chase to the car and the car itself, seems more Billy than Stu.
Stu is likely inviting people to his party at this time, while Billy's whereabouts are unknown for this whole portion of the movie.
I did acknowledge that it could be either, but like I said, the scene itself, the slicker movements and viciousness of the killing says Billy to me (it's a stuntman, I know, but we're talking in the mindset of one of the in-universe killers being in the costume). And in mind of the situation itself, we have an idea of Stu might be doing at the time; inviting people, setting things up, etc., but Billy is absent for several consecutive scenes and we have no clue what he might be up to.
I guess this is one reason the first and fourth films in the series are the more actively discussed. They have the whole intriguing "Who Killed Who" element going, while in the second and third films, you pretty much know who did every kill.
What reason does Billy have to kill Himbry? His main motive is going after Sidney, which Himbry has no connection to.
IMO Stu seemed so pumped up in the scene before, and he's in this just for the thrill. He might be thinking "Man, I've already killed a few, I'll go kill the principal and make things interesting!"
That's the beauty of movies like this though, they're always up for your own interpretation.
Stu has no better motive. Being pumped up is no reason to randomly kill people, if anything, he was pumped up because of the killing he knew he was going to do later that night. Stu was also a follower, he wouldn't just spontaneously kill anyone before informing Billy. They had a plan they needed to stick to, I don't think Stu would just deviate from that. Himbry was killed because the producers wanted another kill, but if you're looking for a motive, I'd say it's because they wanted the other students and the police away from the house.
shareI believe Stu stabbed Dewey. He already had the Ghostface costume on plus he was one who chased Sidney in the climax. Billy had been upstairs the whole time
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Again, it could have been either, but two things:
- Like I said elsewhere, I somehow doubt that Billy was just "playing dead" in the bedroom the whole time.
- There's no indication that the killers have only one Ghostface costume between them. As pointed out even in the movie, they're pretty common.
I also just want to throw this out there and add to your point about how the way the killer holds the knife before stabbing Casey on her porch mirrors the way Billy holds the knife before trying to stab Sidney at the end: The grunt sound the killer makes before stabbing Casey sounds like Billy. Always has. I was convinced for years that it was Billy who killed both Casey and Steve. It wasn't until I heard about Kevin Williamson saying that Stu killed Casey that I was like oh, I guess it wasn't Billy.
shareYou're not wrong. (Or perhaps you are, a little)
My thoughts:
Billy murdered Maureen and Tatum for sure.
Stu attacked Sidney.
Whomever was behind the mask in the Casey murder got whacked in the jewels by Casey's knee and after her parents find her mangled corpse we see Billy at Sidney's and he shows no signs of having just been knee'd in the nuts. So, to me, that was Stu.
Of course all that is just conjecture. There are obvious, and not so, factors to contemplate.
Perhaps in the opening murders both of them were present.
Stu murdered everyone with the exception of Tatum, and considering the killer heads right back in the house after her murder (no reason for Billy to do that if he was the culprit), he may have even killed her, too.
Billy was a psycho, but he seemed more concerned with revenge than anything, whereas Stu seemed to be more of the thrill killer. I can see Bily as the mastermind who was only personally interested in Sidney's blood, and let Stu have the rest of the fun.
That's what I think.. Watching the film listening to Billy and Stu it seemed clear to me that Stu did the majority of the killing with Billy's consent..Billy was after revenge on Sidney and only interested in killing her and Her mother then getting away with it .whereas Stu was totally crazy and was doing it basically because it was fun
(1) Maureen was murdered by both Billy and Stu. They admitted this to Sidney in the finale. She was horribly stabbed which means it could have been both of them stabbing her together.
(2) Steven and Casey's deaths were committed by Stu. He murdered Casey because she dumped him for Steven and because he disliked Steven, he murdered him as well. Stu could have had more feelings towards Casey then he let on which would cause him to kill them both. I think Billy could have called Casey while Stu murdered Steven. They both tied her to the tree.
(3) Principal Himbry's death was committed by Billy because Stu was outside with Sidney and Tatum. Billy was unaccounted for during this time. They both tied his body to the goal post
(4) Tatum's death was committed by Billy because Stu was inside with the other guests. Billy also walked in the house seconds later and gave Stu a look hinting that he just killed his girlfriend.
(5) Kennys death was committed by Stu because Billy was upstairs faking dead.
(6) Sidney's chase was committed by Stu because AGAIN Billy was playing dead.
Other incidents.
(1) Stu was the one who attacked Sidney at her house while Billy snuck in her window.
(2) Billy was the one outside Sidney's house when She and Tatum were talking.
(3) Either could have been the one at the Grocery store but this could also be a random person because everyone had access to the costume.
(4) Stu called Sidney at Tatum's house because Billy was in jail.
Forgot to add but Stu also stabbed Dewey in the back because right after Dewey fell, Ghostface appeared. Billy was upstairs still.
shareMaureen: Billy & Stu together
Steve & Casey: Billy. Stu had more of an alibi. Though Stu would've been cooler since he dated Casey. Also, in the fountain scene, Stu says "I didn't kill anybody" to Randy, to which Billy says "Nobody says you did."
attack on Sidney: Stu. Billy couldn't move that fast.
Himbry: Stu. Billy would've probably been too noticed at this point.
Tatum: Billy. Stu was inside playing host, Billy wasn't supposed to be there yet.
Kenny: Stu
Plus, a lot of these hold up to Billy being willing to throw Stu under the bus if need be. Now what I wonder about, the various Ghostfaces wandering around town, were those actually them, or stupid teens being stupid, or a mix?
Maureen: Both
Steve/Casey: I think both were present. It's very up in the air in terms of who killed who, but it was likely Stu who killed both. Not to mention the fact that the next day Stu talks about how you gut someone. Sounds like he killed Steve to me. I also definitely think it makes more sense that he he killed Casey as well.
Attempt on Sidney: Obviously Stu.
Himbry: I always thought it was Stu. I mean, we see him head back toward the school right after talking to Sidney and Tatum about his party, and he does that little air guitar thing. The very next scene is Himbry getting killed. Seems more like a Stu type of kill anyway.
Tatum: Obviously Billy.
Kenny: Stu. No question.
Dewey stabbed in the back/Car scene with Sidney: Stu. Makes no sense that it's Billy.
I agree that Billy is more the mastermind and focused on his revenge, and Stu was into the thrill of the kill. Billy basically used Stu to do the majority of his dirty work for him. Kind of like in Scream 4 now that I think about it. Won't name who in case there is anyone who still actually hasn't seen the 4th one yet.
Himbry: I always thought it was Stu. I mean, we see him head back toward the school right after talking to Sidney and Tatum about his party, and he does that little air guitar thing. The very next scene is Himbry getting killed. Seems more like a Stu type of kill anyway.
Dewey stabbed in the back/Car scene with Sidney: Stu. Makes no sense that it's Billy.
What excactly doesn't make sense? Wasn't Stu checking up on Gale in the car when Dewey got attacked? Is Billy just going to lay on the bed upstairs for hours while Dewey is searching the house downstairs?Who said he checked on Gale personally? "She looked dead" could have just meant he saw her crash the van (or at least saw the aftermath of the crash) and thought it looked bad enough to assume she didn't survive. share
In that case saying "I thought she was dead" would make much more sense. And if Stu was so closeby he could see the van, then I have no idea how he ended up in the house and stabbed Dewey before Sidney arrived.
But I'd like to know from the other person why Billy being the one to stab Dewey doesn't make sense.
Great point about the time Himbry was killed. It really could have been either Stu or Billy.
The reason I say it doesn't make sense that Billy stabbed Dewey in the back and tried to get Sidney in the car is because immediately when Sidney gets out of the car and runs back up to the house, Randy calls up to her, and then you see Stu follow behind him. Next scene Sidney is shutting the door on both, and Billy comes out of the bedroom and falls down the stairs. We already know that the person who tried to get Sidney in the car is the same person who stabbed Dewey in the back, because as soon as said killer pulls the knife out of Dewey's back, the killer goes after Sidney towards the car. I just don't see how Billy gets out of the car, back inside the house, and back upstairs in that short amount of time. Makes more sense that it's Stu.
Also the fact that Stu hands over the knife to Billy in the kitchen when they corner Sidney. Why bother doing that if Billy was the one who stabbed Dewey? He would already have a knife on him.
shareObviously he ditched the knife before pulling his stumbling out of the bedroom act (it would be kind of a stupid move to fall down the stairs with a knife on your person). Do you really need all this stuff meticulously explained to you?
shareHe and Stu proceeded to stab one another purposefully just minutes later; The idea that he ditched the knife because he feared it might have poked him a little if he fell down the stairs with it still on him is laughable. A knife placed in your back pocket (with the blade pointed downwards) would have also been a pretty non-existant risk, especially if you fell down the stairs in the manner that he did.
You're off target with a few.
I think Billy was definitely on the phone with Casey at the beginning, Stu was the one who gutted Steve and killed Casey. I think Billy was the one who killed Himbry but the rest are on the mark.