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Great Cast! How come it sucked?


This had to be one of the greatest casts of the last twenty years. Yet, I remember seeing it and just thinking, when is it going to be over? I think they got too caught up with making it look authentic. Always with the hats, the cigarettes, the cars. It was like, OK OK, I believe you, it is the '40s! Wow, should have been much better. Reminds me of "Devil in the Blue Dress," another '40s era movie I hated. Eventually, you have to seel the film on the story!

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One of the initial things that made it suck to me was that the music was ill-fitting... i.e. whenever they were driving around, upbeat theme music was playing as opposed to what it should have been: dark.

But that shouldn't be an entire reason why a movie sucks. I am thinking the crappy story and nothing to draw you in. No characters that you felt anything about, no story worth paying attention to, no nothing.

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I liked this movie a great deal. As far as cigarettes and hats... well, you better look at films made in the 1940s and you will be surprised to see that EVERYONE smoked and EVERY man wore a hat! I wish more films today cared more about authenticity. I think it adds a lot to a film to have some genuine feel for the period it depicts. Films like "In Harms Way" (made in the 1950s) about World War 2, showed women in late 1950s hair styles and dresses, and it was hard to belive it was THE Pearl Harbor attack. The same for "Singing in the Rain" which was made in the mid-1950s and was about 1927... the music, arrangements and costumes were completely contemporary. Both were wonderful films, but I believe could have been improved by a little more authenticity.

Meanwhile, the music was every bit as appropriate as the masterful Jerry Goldsmith score from "Chinatown". The music WAS contemporary, but instead of "simulating" music of the 1940s, it was more of an "atmospheric" score in the way Goldsmith wrote his. The music was more "mood" than "in your face" art deco style big band. The music was terrific in both films and never took away from the period feel.

This film was not in the caliber of "Chinatown" or "L.A. Confidential", but it still was interesting, thought provoking, fascinating and very entertaining. I also thought it was much better than the long-awaited sequel to "Chinatown" called "The Two Jakes".

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I couldn't have said it better myself, Trooperboots. Totally agree with you.

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The film definitely competes with L.A. Confidential. First off, LA looked more like LA in the Fifties in MH as opposed to LAC.

This aficionado will take the cast and the superb acting in MH over LAC. The two Aussies' performances were nothing to write home about. Sure, Spacey, DeVito, and Cromwell were excellent but only Spacey had a leading role. Basinger's performance was way overrated and just goes to demonstrate the politics of the Academy.

Nolte gave one of his greatest performances in MH. Melanie Griffith, who I usually can't stand, was very good. Malkovich was awesomely eccentric. Any screen time offered Michael Madsen is always a treat. Speaking of Treat, excellent performance. Palminteri, Penn, Baldwin are always reliable and McCarthy played the role of his career. Last, but not least, who's your Baby,
Basinger or sweet and sexy Jen?

Hanson made conscious decisions, very few hats and did anybody ever light up a smoke in LAC. Nolte chain-smoked his way through MH like a fifties cop under the pressure that he was under would and should and the hats were central to the plot. And, Hanson just could not resist an unbelievable shoot-out at the end for the younger, modern audiences. The ending of MH is in the tradition of the classic noir films.

I've screened both pictures in Blu-ray and I'll take another viewing of MH any day. This viewer believes that MH will grow in stature as LAC stabilizes and begins to decline in the eyes of knowledgeable critics.

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I truly enjoyed the authenticity aspect of the film. All the details were great, plus the suites thous guys wore back then were just crazy cool! The details are truly great, even the apartment building where Jennifer Connlys character lived and the dolls swimming by the pool! I mean thet was a real 1950’s Los Angeles apartment building surprisingly still in it’s retro original condition ( with some fix up paint of course). But non the less the movie looked great.

Now if could just find out what the name is of that small leather club Nick Nolti has popping everyone with?

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It's called a "sap." Cops used to carry them a long time ago.

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I went and saw this movie for my 21st birthday. My best bud and I wanted to leave the theater right then and there. I think the reason it sucked so bad was you just didn't care about the story. SPOILER HERE -> So what if this girl was killed because she knew to much about the US Nuclear program. It just wasen't enough to pull the audiance in. And after a while the mystery just creeped on so bad you just were like. "Oh who cares. Investigate something else. She didn't matter anyway." But noooooo Nolte was to obsessed with Connelly. He just had to find out why. I love 1940s style crime dramas. But this movie left such a bad taste in my mouth I avoided LA Confidential. Although I have sine been told what a good movie that Was.

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In the 1950s, EVERY man wore a hat, had a short haircut and most men smoked a cigarette. It was the style. Check out films, as one man wrote above, but also just take a look at candid street scenes at the L.A. Public Library of ordinary folks on the streets of Los Angeles during the period... you will see what I mean.

The biggest problem with Mulholland Falls is that there are those who will compare it with other modern day film noir COLOR classics.... of which there are very few. "Chinatown" and "L.A. Confidential" come to mind. This film is not in the same strata as those great films, but has a charm all it's own. The music in those films was written by Jerry Goldsmith and neither soundtrack is anything like the music of those period films, either, but the music works! The soundtrack for this film is by David Grusin, and the music is NOT intrusive, but actually more along the lines of mood setting tonalities. Very quiet, moody and silky in tone, to contrast the austere and sininster character of the story. For me, it works very well and hearing the music on it's own is a real treat. It's beautifully and skillfully written and performed. Like "Chinatown", the CD of the soundtrack to "Mulholland Falls" is out of print.

The fine performances in this film for me, are Nick Nolte and Treat Williams.... the latter totally under-rated as an actor. Some aspects of the story are pulled from actual stories of late 40s and early 50s headlines in the city. The more I see this film, the more I see in it. There is so much to enjoy in films without having to pidgeon-hole and compare them to each other. These are all fine films and all have something to say.

This film was just released on DVD and Brazilian copies of it were selling on ebay for up to 60.00 just a couple of months ago, so obviously there are many people who do enjoy this fine film and are willing to have a copy. The good news is MGM has released it for under 15.00.

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the writing was pure *beep*
shame to waste such a killer cast

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Definitely an amazing cast, Nick Nolte is the man

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Yeah, that's how I felt. Basically nothing much happens in the movie. At least nothing that caught my interest. Amazing how much money goes into something that really has no point.

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It sucks because MGM took the film away from the director and ruined it by editing it to death. I keep hoping for a restored director's cut DVD release in the future but the sad thing is that the movie simply isn't popular to make it worthwhile for anyone to invest in such a thing.

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I actually agree with you..... I would very much like to see the film given back to the director and see it with his original vision. I would lay money it would be an even better film.

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I may be one of the few who see this as a fine film. I lived in the 40's and 50's and know how people dressed. There is magic in this film, it was no easy task driving across a desert and water was everything. Everyone is so used to seeing a cell phone and jet travel the whole story is missed. People dont know how vicious J. Edgar Hoover could be, and this jumps at you in the film. Maybe so many disliked this film because it was as if they were sitting in a history class in high school. Jennifer Connelly could have been used more and possibly expanded. All in all I enjoyed this film and still remember when ladies wore white gloves in public and black ones to funerals. It was a classy time period for clothes, men wore suits and hats to LA Rams football games.

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I loved the first 5 minutes. ^_^
Jen is smoking hot in this movie.


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Well, I don't think it sucked - but many did. Why?
I think it's a fine movie and have waited for the
DVD having just about worn-out my old copy pulled
from Cinemax years ago. IMHO, it's main faults are
two: 1. It's episodic (doesn't flow well). 2. It
won't really work on you unless you are sympathetic
too, or admiring of, the main characters.

"It's episodic" is something you could probably say about
a lot of movies (Star Wars Epi IV - in fact all of them).
I can only say even I feel it fails to make one flowing
story. The ensemble cast is underdeveloped and Madsen is
completely wasted. The conspiracy theory on the A-bombs
is not explored enough - If J.Edgar was knowledgable it
went right to the top. Why would a Army officer take it
upon himself to set himself up on murder charges without
a "get-out-of-jail" card like is mentioned in "Patriot
Games" ? What were the two pilots supposed to think if
the officers pulled it off and murdered Nick and Chaz ?
They just fell out? Really, it could've made a better
Trilogy : Part I, The Hat Squad bust the Mob and Nolte
sleeps around, Part II. Murder, Conspiracy and Cover-up,
Part III Final Denouement.

For me, it's my sympathy to the main characters and their
foilbles that suck me in. I have never cheated on my wife ever
-- But for Allison Pond ( Jennifer D.) - WOW ! OK ruin my life
baby. Whata goddess she was in this movie. "Spectacular", the
dialog sez at one point. And Nolte is in top form: "You carry
your own water." Spoken like a true tough guy.

This film is a great film if you like the time period style and
are honest enough to admit sharing some of the same weaknesses
of the main characters while still admiring their strengths.

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"1. It's episodic (doesn't flow well). 2. It
won't really work on you unless you are sympathetic
too, or admiring of, the main characters."

I think it will appeal to people who like Chinatown, The Big Sleep, The Maltese Falcon, The Public Eye, and L.A. Confidential. It's slow, but so was Chinatown. It has some weaknesses, but I liked it overall.

"I can only say even I feel it fails to make one flowing
story. The ensemble cast is underdeveloped and Madsen is
completely wasted."

Chris Penn is also wasted, but that's probably because MGM butchered the film. It needed 130 minutes to be told. Instead, it got 107. Half the characters are not really developed or introduced properly. Wait for the Director's Cut. Many movies are ruined by the studio's interference.

"Why would a Army officer take it
upon himself to set himself up on murder charges without
a "get-out-of-jail" card ?"

He thought he could get away with it and nobody would ever find out that he was responsible. If not for a series of (huge) coincidences - Hoover being involved with the girl, for instance - he would have gotten away with it. Look at how he interacted with General Timms. There was obviously tension and insubordination. He questioned orders, debated them, and then defied them. He saw Timms as unfit to command. He had the Captain on his side, too.

"What were the two pilots supposed to think if
the officers pulled it off and murdered Nick and Chaz ?
They just fell out?"

They wouldn't think anything. They wouldn't see every person who gets on or off the plane. They wouldn't hear the gun shots over the engine. They wouldn't know that someone had been thrown out of the plane. What makes you think the pilot/s would keep track of every person getting on or off?

"And Nolte is in top form: "You carry
your own water." Spoken like a true tough guy."

Nolte's good, but he mumbles a lot and is almost unintelligible half the time. This is my second favorite Nolte film, after 48 Hrs.

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The script asks us to trust it: Allison Pond was known to have found out about the secret program. How? Did her "best friend" who photographed her in action and the short film shown at the beginning of the film tell her? Did General Timms tell her? People talk. But, Jennifer was never shown talking except by the pool, certainly not about a serious subject.

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>>Why would a Army officer take it
upon himself to set himself up on murder charges without
a "get-out-of-jail" card <<<

My theory: In true noir style, life is cheap, women are expendable, and the bad guys are arrogant. I think Treat's character thought that pushing a nobody prostitute out of a plane would not get traced back to him at all, and that frankly, no one would care. And I think the audience is supposed to feel how anonymous and expendable Connelly's character was. She was "spectacular" to a few of the men who frequented her or fell for her goddess-prostitute aura, but the tension here is that she is a prostitute or escort: illicit, powerful, but an anonymous woman of the night. Treat just sees her as in the way, so he gets rid of her. I think Nolte is the snag here: If he hadn't have been enthralled with Connelly, the case probably wouldn't have gone too far. IMHO

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beyond smoking hot

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I thought John Malkovich was terribly miscast in the role of an Army general. Although I like him as an actor, and have enjoyed his performances in other roles, Malkovich does not even come close to being credible as a career military officer.

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The history of Timms' character suggests he was modeled after Lieutenant General Leslie Groves, who was the officer in charge of Project Manhattan. Groves was trained as an engineer, he built the Pentagon prior to heading Project Manhattan. And heading the postwar atomic program would require some technical background. So expecting Timms to be portrayed as MacArthur or Patton would be not be consistent with his character. Then again, Groves himself was known to be very impatient with the "egghead" scientists who developed the atomic bomb. One of the reasons he chose Oppenheimer as chief scientist was because he seemed the most practical and dedicated to getting results of all the world-class scientists involved in the project.

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It's hard to think of films with large, high-quality ensemble casts that _don't_ suck.

In this case, though, I think it had more to do with the writing than anything else. I found the idea of four of LAPD's toughest detectives riding around together in a convertable somewhat comical, and Chaz Palminteri's psychiatrist bit was so against type as to undermine type. We only got a couple of other opportunities to see the mobster squad at work, and it was over-the-top punchouts.

It also lacked meaningful sub-plot(s); the entire story revolved around the dead girl. Shouldn't there have been some LA-based subterfuge? Linking the girl to the mob, Nolte's character and Malkovich's character would have meant more since it might have undermined Nolte's career.

I also found Nolte's relationship with his wife to be far too maudlin; either he's indifferent enough to sleep with Jennifer Connelly "every chance he gets" or he's in love with his wife; both doesn't cut it.

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I liked that you actually make some well-thought-out points about why you did not like Mulholland Falls, and I respect what you had to say. Like you, I also think it might have been better to move beyond the dead girl and make it a grander scheme beneath. Chinatown moved beyond the Evelyn Mulray imposter and with each successive twist, the story beneath the story became more about what the movie was all about. That is exceptional writing.

Okay, now not all ensemble cast films suck.... here are a few I thought of...

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
The Longest Day
Judgement at Nurenburg

The ones that sucked? Yeah, I can also think of plenty that were pretty horrible.....

Earthquake
The Conqueror
Pepe

... and there are lots more in each catagory.

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Concerning other great ensemble casts. It is certainly a hard thing to successfully pull off as I'm sure egos come into play, especially as it concerns screen time. I'm sure it's quite difficult to wrangle all the actors and keep them from chewing the scenery to pieces.
Other great or successful Ensemble Films I think would include:

Glenngary Glenn Ross. (One of my favourite films.)
The Long Riders.
The Deer Hunter.
The Dirty Dozen.
The Usual Suspects. (Though it may be argued that many of the actors were unknowns at the time. It depends on what definition of "ensemble cast" one uses. Either a film in which all the main characters are given equal importance to the plot or story, or merely an "all star" cast. The former seems to be correct in the world of film, while the latter sees colloquial usage.)
The Breakfast Club.
The Magnificent Seven.
The Seven Samurai.
Crash. (Though I didn't like the film, I can recognise it as being a well put together, well thought out and very successful film.)
Traffic.(Or just cursorily interconnected stories. But again, an "all star" cast of actors.)
Murder on the Orient Express.
The Thin Red Line.
Once Upon a Time in the West. (Though here it may be argued that the story merely revolved around the three main characters, and were connected by Claudia Cardinal's character and circumstance.)
Pulp Fiction & Reservoir Dogs. (Though these may again just be separate, but interconnected-albeit disjointed- stories of a few main characters. Reservoir Dogs is perhaps a better example.)
The Great Escape.
And finally, the Ocean's # series, though I hate hate hate these films and they bore bore bore me. Really I only saw the first two, so maybe the third film pulls them all together and redeems the first two.... They were just mindless, pandering films that sought audiences by being "star-studded" and by having quick action and "witty" dialogue. But I'm not here to foist my opinions off on anyone, I just could not abide these movies.
I find the Ocean's films silly, pointless and plot-less; instead of a clever twist (which all films seemingly MUST have these days) or a logical denouement, the writers just seem to resort to the deus ex machina style of writing that seems so prevalent in recent years. I can best describe Ocean's 11 as Heat but instead of automatic weapons, a top-notch team of professional thieves, and a great plan (foiled only by Danny Trejo) they use witty dialogue and their boyish good looks to pull off their heists. Ah!! I'm adding Heat to the list of great ensemble films...
Heat.

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Around the World in 80 Days (1956)
Lawrence of Arabia
Judgment at Nuremberg
A Bridge Too Far

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It's in color. That's why it sucked. Film noir should never, EVER be in color.

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Chinatown was in color, Chrono. So was L A Confidential. Did they suck?

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