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attn: teachers - this is a great one for high-school English class



There are a couple of f-bombs thrown about here, but I think if you're a teacher of English, drama, literature, history, whatever, and you're looking to get the kids away from sneaking peeks at their cell phones and I-Pods I'd throw this one on for a couple of class periods. It certainly is the closest your students will get to a sort of "inside baseball" on Shakespeare, getting to know the nuances behind the drama and such. I don't doubt there will be plenty of kids in a classroom delighted to 'get' Shakespeare via Tony Monta....er, Al Pacino.

Look into it, I think you may be surprised. If I had had the pleasure of this film in high school I'd certainly have a private fascination and appreciation for what this film does (if not an extroverted one - Pacino makes Shakespeare accessible, but don't expect any immediate thespianic conversions!)

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I'm a student in Australia and we're studying this as a companion piece to Richard III. It is alright, but is by no means the most interested I've been in English.

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Well, I think if it's not the most you've been interested in English, that's good! You should jump right to the old Olivier Shakespeare films- "Othello", "Hamlet", "Richard III", "Henry V". Try Orson Welles' "Chimes at Midnight" as well.

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We watched the Ian McKellan version of Richard in class, and I think that everyone really enjoyed that. And last year we watched Othello. So many students moan about doing Shakespeare in school, but it's always been one of my favourite subjects.

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Great - hope your enjoyment of The Bard extends to Kurosawa's Japanese interpretations as well - look at "Ran" (King Lear) and "Throne of Blood" (Macbeth).

The McKellan version of "Richard III" was all right enough, but I enjoy Pacino's film much more.

Also, for something TRULY unusual, take a look at how Peter Greenaway handles The Tempest in "Prospero's Books" - this is probably the strangest adaptation of Shakespeare you'll ever see.

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We saw Throne of Blood when we did Macbeth, but I haven't seen any of the others, I'll check them out.

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"Take a look at how Peter Greenaway handles The Tempest in Prospero´s Books - this is probably the strangest adaptation of Shakespeare you´ll ever see".

Not to mention the most confusing and impenetrable - unfamiliar with the original text as I was (am), I had very little idea of what the hell was going on there half the time. But that´s Greenaway for ya - the guy has never shown any sense of restraint when it comes to piling up layers upon layers of information in his films (see The Falls for the worst case scenario). It´s a sumptuous, gorgeous looking film, but also about the last choice when it comes to introducing Shakespeare to a class full of pupils. Looking For Richard perhaps being indeed the best place to start as Pacino´s enthusiasm for the material is liable to inspire others as well.



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@Franz -

re: Greenaway - yeah, I can't really say that I find his films *good* so much as they are fascinating to watch. It's almost too easy to declare his films "masterpieces" - seen too many critics do it in lieu of actually trying to deconstruct his vision...really almost a lazy way of going about it. Although I will say I think Greenway is an uncompromising artist, no question about it...have you ever seen the trilogy "Tulse Luper Suitcases"? I have watched the entire thing twice and find it interesting for its aesthetics, but, again..."evaluation" in language fails me - Greenaway demands to be studied by scholars rather than enjoyed with popcorn and a beer or two. With Prospero, I actually had to stop the film and read a synopsis of "The Tempest", being unfamilar myself with the play, in order to go along with that lunatic's cracked mathematics. It's sort of a film for people who already know the story inside and out - strangely it was John Gielgud who had to push and persuade Greenaway to make this film, not the other way around!

re: Richard - Pacino is working on a filmed adaptation of "King Lear" right now with Michael Radford - they did a nice, solid job with "Merchant of Venice" a number of years ago. Definitely looking foreword to seeing what Pacino can do in the role of Lear. I like the part in this film when he talks about Americans' self-consciousness when doing Shakespeare - it's something one tends to notice when you stack an American against classically trained English thespian...maybe that's unfair, but when an American does it right - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X9C55TkUP8 - wow!

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"It was John Gielgud who had to push and persuade".

Yeah, Prospero´s Book apparently was Gielgud´s lifelong ambition; wonder what he made of it after seeing the results. Not very sure what to make of Greenaway´s stuff, either - he seems to approach filmmaking more like a scientist and the starkly intellectualist streak often arguably hurts more than it helps (although not as much as it does Godard´s output - I´ve seen 6 of JLG´s films and with the sole exception of Pierrot Le Fou, they´re all kinda dry, hollow and come across entirely self conscious & artificial. At any rate, Greenaway seems much wittier and more imaginative). Of the 4 Greenaway pictures I´ve seen, Drowning By Numbers is the favourite, but again, I have no real idea as to how is all that mathematics supposed to figure in or what the fine print of this feminist fantasy is supposed to be about. I think I´ll need to see it again. The Cook, Thief etc, I found annoying more than anything else. And I was, in fact, unable to get any further than 30 minutes with the aforementioned The Falls as I simply failed to handle all the information and the minutiae blasted forth in huge, overbearing volleys (and you´re gonna be doing an exceptional amount of reading from the screen when you get into that sh-t; maybe it should have been a book rather than a film in the first place). And the f-cker is 3 hours long. No idea who the target audience is supposed to have been. Probably them little overachievers with different mothers.


"What Pacino can do in the role of Lear".

In one of the reviews for Looking For Richards, it was mentioned that Pacino had played Richard III on Broadway in 1979 with "notoriously awful results" - wonder what´s that all about. He´s had his poor performances obviously (in Godfather 3 and Heat, for instance), but I think generally Pacino has not gone off the boil during the past 10+ years (or even eversince the 70´s as some have it) nearly as much as most say he has and he´s been good-to-great in Donnie Brasco, People I Know, Insomnia, You Don´t Know Jack... and he´s pretty much always entertaining to watch (something that cannot be said of De Niro due to his lack of the kind of magnetic showmanship that Nicholson also possesses; when he´s not "on", he´s just boring).



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re: Greenaway -

"The Falls" is one of those films I've read a lot about, to the point that I actually thought I had seen it. Then I remembered I was remembering synopses, reviews, etc. Haven't yet mustered up the guts to sit through it, probably never will. There's lots more out there from Greenaway that I could watch - his newest film looks interesting. But you're right - the self-consciousness is utterly overbearing - it's either you're along for this ride or you're not. Greenaway strikes me as the kind of guy who is just on the short side of cracking up - he just doesn't give a whim about appealing to any kind of audience except the smallish one he's managed to generate over the years. He's a man trying to outwit his own subconscious - his films are like him exposing his self-generated maniacal corners he's painted himself in and trying to work out of. If I met Greenaway, would want to ask him if he actually thinks the audience cares even a slight fraction as much as he does. Who the hell else *does* this, or has ever, aside from Bunuel? Actually, Greenaway is more like Dali in that sense, albeit not an avant-garde surrealist as much as evidence of what happens when you give a sexually traumatized math geek a movie camera and a lot of money. Even Lynch keeps his surrealism in the confines of story and character. Greenaway's films are really about him and how he sees the things he's showing us. That said, there's admiration for this kind of artist, an arm's length, cautious admiration in my case.

Re: Pacino -

Al has a number of films coming out - he at least appears to be engaged in wanting to *try* and participate in quality films, as opposed to DeNiro who has completely gone off the map. He actually finished up Lear on Broadway last year and it would be damned entertaining to see him perform live. I'll be content with the film.

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I thought he was great in TGF3 and Heat.

You call this poor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyaDlIirJnw


^^^I call the heart wrenching. I have yet to meet someone not moved by that scene. You're the first apparently.

He was also very good in The Merchant of Venice btw.



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I agree that this would be a good one for a high-school English class. I remember seeing James Earl Jones in Othello I believe in high school. I think that was the extent of the Shakespeare though.

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