> But, what about the cutting of the guard and the murder of that creepy psychologist? I know she had nothing to do with her murder, but she'd still be abetting.
Yup. She will have to answer for a whole lot of pretty serious crimes committed after she was arrested.
And you know what, she could even be tried for crimes against Bob. While she can claim self defense, the laws about self defense are uite clear as to how far you can go. For example, once you gain control of a situation you cannot inflict damage on the criminal just because you are angry. Each time you do it is assault.
So, when she pulled out her gun and gained control of the situation, it becomes illegal to just shoot the guy because you hate him. Granted, you could argue that he was trying to regain control over you and that you had to shoot him to stop him. So, the cops might let that go.
But when he staggered to the ground and she shot him in the back as he lay there, that's plain and simple attempted murder. Leaving him for dead is another crime, stealing his car is another, and not reporting the incident to police is another.
Here's what she should have done after she got the gun pointed at him. First, tell him to pull over and stop the car. Then, make him give her the keys. She then gets out of the car and comes around to his side. Tell him to get out, strip naked, and lie face down.
From there she could drive away and leave him, dropping the car and wallet off at a police station with a note saying that he is the killer. His killing days are over.
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bing-57
15 years ago
> I am not sure Bob would not be able to wriggle out of that somehow
I was waiting for him to do that in the car. As they were driving his right hand was in position many times to sucker punch her in the back seat. Had it been any other "action" movie Bob would have wrestled the gun from her.
> She is functionally illiterate. Explaining that Bob is a serial killer in a note might be totally beyond her.
Fair enough. But she has somehow managed to go through life without being able to read. She compensates. She managed to find Stockton and then her grandma's trailer park without even having her address (Bob had the photo).
So, she drops off Bob's car at a shopping mall and then calls the police from a pay phone. She tells him all about what Bob did and where his car is.
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15 years ago
> I don't see him tackling anyone who has a gun.
That certainly would not be his first choice. But, his mind had to be racing at that point. With a gun to his head and his secret revealed his spree is over one way or another. Either she shoots him dead or she runs away and reports him to the police.
So he has to do something if he wants to keep his freedom. Sucker punching her would be one option. But the best option was right at his feet; the brake pedal. If he stomps hard on it she will be thrown forward and he might be able to grab the gun.
Unless he had those darn anti-lock brakes!
But yeah, he was a coward and never tried to escape. He meekly accepted that fact that she would shoot him or turn him in.
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al666940-3
15 years ago
Actually he just DIDN'T THINK she would actually do it.
Notice his face of utter surprise and disbelief after being shot in the neck.
I SERIOUSLY doubt Vanessa would be convicted of ANYTHING.
1.- She was unjustly sent to jail (I have seen many cases where defendants have successfully argued that their actions stemming from an unjust situation cannot be used against them), that is now fact with Bob unmasked. So she escaping can be argued away, plus she didn't kill anyone.
2.- NO ONE would dare to indict her for Bob's shooting and murder with the two detectives on the case vouching for her innocence. And since the wife shot herself, who exactly is gonna make the jury see Bob as a victim? Not the prosecutor that's for sure.
3.- I dare anyone to find a jury willing to convict a girl over the assault/murder of a PROVED serial killer/rapist/pedophile/necrophiliac.
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bing-57
15 years ago
> I dare anyone to find a jury willing to convict a girl over the assault/murder of a PROVED serial killer/rapist/pedophile/necrophiliac.
When was that proven? As I recall that was only proven to the home audience by his admission. To the rest of the world it would his word against hers; and she's the one with an arrest record and on the run from the law.
She had a gun to his head and then shot him. Those are the facts in the case. The rest would be up to the lawyers to debate in court.
She knew that her chances would be slim of winning any court case so she killed him (almost).
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al666940-3
15 years ago
"When was that proven?"
I'm talking at the end of the film when she has finally killed Bob, dummy.
Remember the ending?
At that point Bob is KNOWN to be guilty. Want proof? How about the story high of child porn/human remains/kiddie pictures inside his shed at his house, the killed grandmother?
At this point it's an open shut case againt him. Even the cops believe her now.
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bing-57
15 years ago
> I'm talking at the end of the film when she has finally killed Bob, dummy.
So, you are taking future events and trying to apply them to the past. I see.
She was already convicted and put in jail. At that point the cops never even bothered to investigate her claims against Bob. Bob would have been fine for the rest of his life if he had just stopped murdering people and ditched the evidence in his shed.
By the time Bob was exposed she had already committed many new crimes. You are seriously deluding yourself if you think that the legal system will let you off the hook for crimes committed like that.
She stole a car and kidnapped a man. Neither of these crimes was even slightly justified. She simply wanted to visit her granny.
She broke out of prison. While that crime might be justifiable to the audience, the legal system never sees it that way.
I read in the papers all the time of people who are arrested for resisting arrest when it turns out that the original arrest was unjustified.
So, for example, if you look like someone who just robbed a bank and the cops try to stop you and you run away, you go to jail for resisting arrest even though you didn't rob the bank and they could not have arrested you.
She escaped from jail and that is a serious crime, even though she should have not been in jail in the first place. Sorry, but that's the way the system works. She will be in jail for several years.
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al666940-3
15 years ago
"By the time Bob was exposed she had already committed many new crimes. You are seriously deluding yourself if you think that the legal system will let you off the hook for crimes committed like that. "
A silver-tongued lawyer looking for his 15 minutes could easily get her off making her a marthyr/victim of Bob and the legal system.
Ever heard "temporary insanity"?
"She stole a car and kidnapped a man. Neither of these crimes was even slightly justified. She simply wanted to visit her granny"
Says who? Since Bob had her picture and address, Vanessa can EASILY claim she was fearing for her grandma's life, and since NO ONE believed her, just telling the guys in the correctional wasn't an option.
"She broke out of prison"
Same answer.
"I read in the papers all the time of people who are arrested for resisting arrest when it turns out that the original arrest was unjustified. "
And I bet every single one of them had a crap lawyer.
Never mind her arrest unjustified (you got a point). The "granny in mortal danger" card would do it.
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bing-57
15 years ago
> Since Bob had her picture and address, Vanessa can EASILY claim she was fearing for her grandma's life,
That's not too convincing. The photo would have been taken and catalogued (and photographed) as evidence at the hospital.
It is unlikely that she even remembers that he has the photo. In fact, if she had remembered it it would have been mentioned at her trial.
And lastly, Bob could have stalked and killed the grandma at any point while she was in prison. She would not be able to convince a jury that it was so imperative that go NOW and steal a car to get there.
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al666940-3
15 years ago
"The photo would have been taken and catalogued (and photographed) as evidence at the hospital."
Remember that Bob was looking at it when he was slurping his chicken soup at the diner, especially the address on it.
He had it on him. What more evidence you want?
"In fact, if she had remembered it it would have been mentioned at her trial. "
The trial hadn't even started, only preliminary hearing, when she wasn't being taken seriously.
Plus she can say she forgot about it until later. It happens.
"Bob could have stalked and killed the grandma at any point while she was in prison"
No since the cops were already onto him. He had to take his cahnces right there and then.
So yes, it was THAT imperative.
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