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Eva Peron, did they love her or did they not?


I'm not familiar with Argentinian history, so I only want to know from the opera's angle, did the people like her or did they not? Because base on Antonio Banderas' character and narration, he disliked her all the way. Why did he dislike her? She did so many things for the people...

Or have I interpret wrong?

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I've visited Argentina twice. The myth of Evita is still very much alive after 60 years. Do they love her or hate her? Both. It depends on whom you ask, but there's no middle ground.

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From what I've learn from the opera, she did a lot of good things, so why would people hate her?

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A mixture of good and bad. The working class adored her because her social aid foundation did in fact do much to help the poor, and she supported labor unions that increased workers salaries and benefits. She gained suffrage for women and organized a political party that was all female, so that women gained a much larger voice in politics than in other countries at the time. She also harassed opponents (personal as well as political), extorted money for her social aid foundation and created a grotesque personality cult that enveloped herself and Peron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iG16CM2zmc/

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so she did good things for some at the expense of others? that would make sense

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Any governments that don't ?

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She extorted money from one group of people and gave it to another group, effectively buying votes and popularity. If the money she took had been invested in a legitimate economy instead of used for her central planning, there would have been a larger and more prosperous and productive Argentine middle class.


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I think she's just like every person in political power, some people hate them and some people love them.

"Don't they know they're making love to one already dead?!"

Love Les Miserables!!!

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Well.. just jumping in here. Like many have already stated, millions love her, while the other half simply hate her.

Like all political leaders, you have your supporters and non-supporters- Obama, Bush anyone? Eva's case is a bit different and unique when considering her placement in a historical context and background but at the same time, it's basically the same story.

Her uniqueness also lies in the fact that, as powerful as she became, she never held an elected position and despite being subordinate to her husband, The President, and was never technically more powerful than him, her personal power, mystique and fame, far exceeded his. To such an extent that even after her death, her cold dead (but beautifully embalmed) corpse caused military men and nervous politicians to shake in their cowardly boots fearing it would cause an uprising. They feared her as much dead than alive. Anyhow... moving on...

Eva chose to become active politically in a time woman had no voice and were seen as second class citizens. They could not vote and Eva could not vote for Peron during the first election (she did vote for him during the second election from her hospital bed 8 months before her death). So although this may have won her many supporters, it alienated and shocked many also.

She also came from a poor back ground and was an illegitimate and this also affected her standings in society. This may sound ridiculous today but in 40's Argentina, you were branded and although Eva never denied her poor past, her illegitimacy was something she went out of her way to hide that she even altered her birth certificate. Her poor background and illegitamacy was known during her time in power and again, it was something certain factions could not accept or forgive (as if an illegitamate child is at fault for their illegitamacy … geesh)

She was also an actress with a shady past (no less shady than so many other starlets and actresses past or present but whatever) who also posed for some risque photographs (swimwear and shorts … oh my!!) and this was also reason to dislike the woman. Her past may not have been an issue had Eva remained an actress. She did not (She ended up marrying a Colonel turned General/President and became active politically). The fact that she lived together with her boyfriend (Peron) for months without marrying was also looked down upon. It was OK for Peron to have as many mistresses as possible, but as a courtesy, she should remain hidden. Peron did not hide Eva, some state that he flaunted her and would bring her along to places where Generals should never bring their mistresses. Eva’s reputation was again called into question here.

She championed the poor and woman while at the same time alienating the powerful Oligarchy and military - 2 factions who for years had ruled Argentina previously. So this won her many supporters and just as many haters. Throughout her later years, Eva became fanatical with her Foundation and charitable works and this caused her to have an almost vitriolic attitude towards those that looked down on the poor. It pretty much became a war of the classes and although Eva never hid her disdain for the establish classes, it is very innaccurate to portray her as the sole instigator since the many reason I cited above were reasons enough for the establish classes not to like her. Her poor past, illegitamacy, lack of education (Eva only had a 6 grade education), her background as an actress, her many lovers (OK for the men, but heaven forbid a woman be sexually active), her crude manners or her lack of class, her gender, all contributed to this division. At the time it was hard for many to accept a 20-something year old, former actress, uneducated woman to be in any position of power. Tainted blood ran through this woman’s veins. The problem for them was that Eva didn’t give 2 *beep* about this and simply threw the dirt right back in their faces.

And her methods were incredibly unorthodox... which I will not get into more details considering this response is long-winded enough. But her methods and brand of politics also widened this division.

So Eva was a polarizing figure then and she remains one today but her popularity and mystique continues to florish to such an extent that biographies continue to be written about her, monuments keep sprouting up in her homeland, tourists arrive by the truckloads every year to visit her grave at the Recoleta cemetery and the EVITA museum in Buenos Aires has become a tourist destination. She was in your face but that boldness created a legend :-)

The musical does concentrate on the more salacious details of her life (real or imaged) and it is a bit biased.

The narrator of Che was created in order for the audience to not be too taken in by Eva’s charms. At least according to what I have read about the creation of the musical. Che was originally intended to be the rational voice (which is kind of mind boggling because originally, the narrater was Che Guevara, who is as controversial as Eva Peron. This was changed for the film and recent revivals) and Evita - the villian. She is a colorful villian but a villian nonetheless.

And lastly, as much as I love this musical and consider it one of Webber’s best, it should not be treated as a history lesson.



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She was also an actress with a shady past (no less shady than so many other starlets and actresses past or present but whatever) who also posed for some risque photographs (swimwear and shorts … oh my!!) and this was also reason to dislike the woman. Her past may not have been an issue had Eva remained an actress.


That's very true. But in your post you seemed to roll your eyes that the aristocracy would be shocked that Eva posed in swimwear. At the time, acting was seen as a degrading profession, not like today where you have Hollywood and royalty hobnobbing. For example, Queen Elizabeth II snubbed Grace Kelly's 1956 wedding to Prince Rainier because the guest list included movie stars. Anyway, as you pointed out, Eva already had several strikes against her, some of which were beyond her control (e.g. born illegitimate, poor, no education), but she didn't help her cause by posing for cheesecake photographs. Granted, she did that while she was a struggling actress, but so-called respectable women of the time did not take seductive pictures in their bathing suits, and the aristocracy could not and would not accept a woman in their realm who had done such a thing. They were quoted as saying, "She is no lady, never mind the first." They tried to discredit her early on during Peron's first term with a picture of young Eva Duarte holding a sheer fabric in front of her, seemingly nude behind it since her silhouetted figure is noticeable. They tried to make it worse than it was by saying it was from a collection of nudes (which never materialized), but the scandal ended up being a non-issue. In fact, Evita was like teflon; everything her detractors tried to sling at her did not stick. Her admirers remained steadfastly loyal to the end.

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Marvelass, I agree with everything you said. The reason I am rolling my eyes is because, yes, despite Eva not helping her cause by posing for these photographs, they were still tastefully done and within the standards of the time and I am certain the starlet Eva Duarte that posed for them in 1939, 1941 didn’t forsee she would be the country’s First Lady in a few short years time and these “skin pics” would be used against her. They were not pornographic images. The most risque photo of Eva I ever found was one taken by Sivul Wilensky where her back is completely bare. She looks beautiful. Daring? Maybe. But for young starlets of the time period, it’s hardly shocking stuff and yes, a snobbish attitude is expected but I can’t help roll my eyes at this level of snobbiness. Oh well. And no matter what Eva did, it was a cause for alarm and when reading about it now, it does give me a chuckle.

Eva wears a gown that leaves one shoulder bare during the inauguration. Oh my!!! Scandal.

The opposition also exposed these scandalous “skin pics” before Eva’s arrival at the Vatican to discredit her in 1947 during her "Rainbow Tour"… and they were also released in 1955 in a magazine titled “Vida Artistica de Eva Duarte”… ‘fotos prohibida por la dictadura” (Artistic Life of Eva Duarte - 90 prohibited photos ...which I have BTW) again, to discredit her and show the masses the sinful life of this sinful Venus … but all it showed were tasteful pics of Eva during her years as a model and actress. You are right though, none of these proved effective to the masses… even during the Peronist purge of the mid-50’s and onward, her admirers worshipped her in secret within their crumbling shacks.

However one thing I want to point out that it wasn’t just the established classes that vilified her. The outside press had a field day writing about her, especially during her Rainbow Tour and most was disrespectful where she was dismissed as being the “blonde”, “shapely", "fascist" wife” of a President and at times would make *beep* up to support their claims... such as accusing her of giving the falange salute in Spain (even though this never happened, she was just waving like the Queen she was) or that she tortured people *rollseyes* and yada yada yada. No wonder the woman became so tough as nails… she really had to develop a thick skin.

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