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Military/Navy Accuracies and Inaccuracies


For a comedy, I thnk this movie does a pretty good job with the portrayal of the military and the Navy. As others have pointed out on this board, there are several things that are inaccurate, but at the same time, I think this movie does a better job than a lot of serious movies.

There are also subtleties that are in the movie that I think a lot of people in the military would agree with as being accurate. For example, during war games and exercises, the gamers always cheat and so do the people participating in the games. Everybody cheats and everybody knows it.

Sure, there are several things that are inaccurate, but I don't think they ruin the movie. We all know Harry Dean Stanton is about 40 years too old to be a sailor and no one seems to know the rules for saluting in the movie, but these are part of any military movie.

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I'm just expressing my opinion.

You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.

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I don't blame current and ex-military guys for focusing on military mistakes at all. I'm not capable of recognizing many myself, but as a native Russian speaker I can recognize every mistake made by non-natives butchering the language. These mistakes drive me nuts and I know most others don't recognize the mistakes or care when I describe them. So when someone in the military sees an Army ribbon on a Navy uniform instead of the ribbon's Navy equivalent or sees someone addressed as "Lieutenant" when he's wearing a commander's insignia, I have no problem with the military folks picking this stuff apart. Most mistakes like the ones I'm talking about could be avoided if you had one veteran or one native speaker of the target language on set as a consultant. Just one.

I say let the military folks vent. I know very much how stupid mistakes on something which is that much a part of you can be grating.

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Most of us military types are not venting at every mistake. What we are doing is simply pointing them out.

On a comedy film, mistakes are handled a lot easier, even blatant mistakes. It is a comedy after all and not meant to be taken serious. Most mistakes in the comedy are not entirely untrue, but are caricatures of real life.

Not counting simply pointing out mistakes, most of those that are trashing a film over even small mistakes generally are not going to be military, but military wannabes trying to prove how knowledgeable they are. At least on a military comedy film such as this.

Now with a military drama, military personnel are much less forgiving. In a military drama it is expected that they should try to get it as correct as possible. Even then, small mistakes are forgivable and most military could care less about a ribbon out of order. Small mistakes are still pointed out but we generally do not trash the film for them. major mistakes however, we will still trash a film for because these are major things that should be gotten correct.

The TV shows... "Last Resort" and "The Last Ship" were horribly mistaken to the point of being insulting.

The difference between small forgivable mistakes and unforgiving ones can not be easily ascertained from those ignorant of the military in general because the cannot recognize either so assume the to all be either minor or major. Going to your Language example... A small mistake would be a very bad accent mispronouncing the correct word. A major mistake would not be mispronouncing the right word... but using the wrong word entirely. Some of the most heineous of military mistakes in the two previous TV shows... would be akin to speaking Chinese and calling it Russian.

We military will point out but could care less about minor details like a couple of ribbons out of order... the wrong type of boot worn... A particular rifle wasn't available until a year after the film's supposed timeframe... The aircraft was the right type but wrong model..the plane was an F-15C and should have been an F-15E. As long as it was an F-15 and not an F-14...which is a completely different aircraft.
(Blackhawk down almost got made using UH-1 Huey's rather than UH-60 Blackhawks. THAT would have been a serious mistake.)

Last Resort had cruise missiles attacking submerged sub's... Had Aircraft with ZERO antisubmarine capability attacking a sub...etc...

The Last Ship had ridiculous use of systems and equipment... Stupidity like towing the ship via a kite to generate electricity by spinning the props backwards...and other utterly moronic bullsh!t.


I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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Most of us military types are not venting at every mistake. What we are doing is simply pointing them out.

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We military will point out but could care less about minor details like a couple of ribbons out of order... the wrong type of boot worn... A particular rifle wasn't available until a year after the film's supposed timeframe... The aircraft was the right type but wrong model..the plane was an F-15C and should have been an F-15E. As long as it was an F-15 and not an F-14...


I don't believe you speak for most military types, or at the very least not the ones who frequent these message boards. I have frequented boards such as NCIS, JAG, movies with military themes and so forth, and most of the posts I see indicate that the smaller mistakes bother the majority of veterans more than your post would have me believe, hence my use of the word "vent."

But the choice of wording was not intended to offend. As an example, I once lost my patience so completely after Callen butchered Russian yet again on NCIS LA that I posted an open letter offering to serve as the guy's language coach, in person or over the phone, at my own expense (in person would involve me flying across the country and putting myself n my own dime) and with no compensation or credit of any kind. I was merely saying that frustration with the mistakes, which I see often (both the frustration AND the mistakes), is understandable. As such, if my use of the word "vent" had been intended to offend or condescend, it would have made me a rather big hypocrite. Apologies if you thought that was what I was doing.

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I don't believe you speak for most military types, or at the very least not the ones who frequent these message boards. I have frequented boards such as NCIS, JAG, movies with military themes and so forth, and most of the posts I see indicate that the smaller mistakes bother the majority of veterans more than your post would have me believe, hence my use of the word "vent."


And just how sure are you that the ones getting to them are actually smaller mistakes and not actually major mistakes?

I know first hand about being accused of ranting and griping about small, minor,inconsequential mistakes that are not. That are actually huge assed mistakes,but the ones dismissing them as minor are and were clueless of them even being mistakes at all (which is why they presume them to be minor)

Also... how do you know that those that ARE ranting on actual small mistakes really are military and not poser wannabes which are in high abundance? Grondig66, ConundrumNSA to name but two off the top of my head.

I will repeat... Most people are not in a position to differentiate minor from major military mistakes but the military (and a few nonmilitary that either grew up around the military or very well read/studied).
To these people...any mistake the are able to spot is a major mistake. Any mistake the cannot spot must be minor to them otherwise they would have spotted it (in their eyes)

Again... most of us ACTUAL military could care less about minor mistakes. Yes, we will point them out...more as a game,rather than a rant. But serious mistakes we WILL bust on.
For the most part... Most of those trashing for minor mistakes are not going to be military. They're merely riding the military's coattails.

And no offense.... But I kinda doubt that you are in a position to determine what is or isn't a minor/major military mistake or who is/isn't military based on little more than their say so.



I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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I was basing my examples on yours, especially the ribbon example (the most recent one I saw was absolute outrage over the Army of Occupation ribbon being upside down). My point was that small or large, a lot of them are going to vent. True, some of them may be convincing (at least to us non-vets) wannabes who never served, but I see a fair amount of outrage on stuff you've called minor.

And while most of us have never served, there are some things that we're going to catch that you might not expect us to (indoor salutes when not called on the carpet, a Private First Class wearing PV2 stripes, an E-5 being "reduced" to E-5 at her pre-trial JAG hearing, and so on. Not having served doesn't mean total ignorance, so I'm afraid I can't bank on your general rule any more than I can bank on your "most of us" without having access to a military personnel database.

And no offense, but I kinda doubt you knew what examples I had in mind when I typed up my post, but we both know that you yourself classified incorrect ribbon wear as a minor mistake and that was one of the glaring ones I was thinking of at the time. I appreciate all the answers that you've given me, but it wouldn't have been the worst thing if you had asked what I had in mind instead of talking down to me with your last one.

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Im'm not blaming anyone or saying anyone is venting. What I'm saying is that this comedy is more accurate than a lot of movies that take a serious shot at being accurate.

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I'm just expressing my opinion.

You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.

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I believe CGSailor was addressing me, not you. I was the one who chose the term "vent." But I did kind of hijack your thread, and for that I apologize.

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No need to apologize. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't griping. I agree with much of what you said. I thibk CGSailor had some good inputs, too.

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I'm just expressing my opinion.

You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.

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Yep, Lauren Holly...
http://musingsfromus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Down-Periscope-1996-ScreenShot-35.jpg

first her hair shouldn't be that long

and second she would have a shirt and necktie on under the service dress coat (see link)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/US_Navy_090807-M-6993C-022_U._S._Navy_Rear_Adm._Robin_R._Braun,_Commander,_Navy_Recruiting_Command,_salutes_the_side_boys,_during_the_Navy_Recruiting_District_New_Orleans_Change_of_Command_ceremony.jpg


Looking ahead, the navy are turning womans to mens with proposed new regs. Trouser, chockers & combination cap. http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/05/10/naval-academy-graduation-marks-launch-of-female-sdw-wear-test/26974051/
I really dont like hana, and I dont think the navy peoples (men and womens) like also

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I agree hana

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the womans look funny with the combination hat, hana

also, are you ex-Navy? I was a Marine aviator, then resigned my commission for the teams

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You be telling the lies again hana

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man, you is ugly in your photo, hana

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 Why are you calling yourself ugly Todjer?

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huh!?

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