shower scene


I don't understand the comment made about the person in the shower at the beginning not being Karl, I thought it was. Did I miss something?

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No, I don't think it was Karl because if you look at the Before and After photos in the tabloid newspaper that publishes them, the Before picture looks nothing like the boy in the shower at the beginning.

In a bizarre twist, I think Karl was actually one of the bullies in that scene.

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But I thought that was because prentice and kim gave the tabloid a photograph of one of the bullys to use as a 'before' shot, to get their revenge on the bully? Could be wrong, what do you think ?

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Well that would definitely make more sense - although I don't remember them mentioning giving somebody else's photo to the tabloid.

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Frankly, I just think they boogered up in the continuity. Occam's razor, yaknow.

Kelly

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From different scenes, I gather it was Karl who became Kim and they used the picture of the bully to "get even in a fun way". The reasons that I think it was Karl is because while in court, and asked by the attorney, why she came so late to help Prentice, Kim said cowardice and he has saved me many times before. When Prentice reviewed his class picture, he commented on the head shot of the bully and this is the picture that was used in the tabloid. It makes sense also that Kim was Karl, because of the way Prentice was looking at him in the school picture and Prentice would not be the kind to fall in love with a "transaphopic" ? bully.
This is my story and I'm sticking to it....:)

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You're absolutely right. They were getting more bang for their buck, as it were. Revenge is, after all, a dish best served cold. They used Kim's unique circumstances to make a little money, since Prentice couldn't deliver anything without his bike, and they got back at one of the bullies who tormented Karl throughout his schooling.

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I think a lot of us made the assumption that the teenager in the shower was Karl. There is a very well thought out comment on this subject by one of the iMBD members:

The Defense of Inside Gender with Outside Gender., 11 August 2001
Author: vtsnowblis from Freud's Chaise

This person makes a very credible arguement that the roles are in fact reversed from what you would expect, and it is infact Prentis in the shower who is saved by Karl.

I'll have to watch the DVD again to check the theory.

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That is indeed, an interesting theory, but I'm not sure how you would prove it without speaking to someone associated with the movie's production. Clearly, when Karl & Prentis walked down the school hall to the taunts of all the other boys, Prentis was his protector.

It wouldn't surprise me however, if Karl raced into the shower to protect his buddy, because Prentis was catching hell for protecting him.


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I just checked out the relevent scenes in Different for Girls, and I have to say that I am thoroughly confused.
The shower scene is definitely Prentice, coming to the rescue of someone (who I assumed was a pre-op Kim). The bully in the showers is shown at the end as being the "before" photo of Kim (in the scene where she wakes up and the tabloid pages are pasted to the walls of her bedroom).

So, was Kim the bully (homophobic?) and the boy who was bullied was just some un named extra; or was the bullied boy really Kim (which I now suspect) and the bully's photo was in the tabloid for some reason I connot even fathom?

Despite the conundrum, I still enjoyed watching it for the third time.

Jenn

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LOL...well, you've confused me even more. Like I said, there should be someone associated with the production, online, who would know?

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vtsnowblis's take on Different For Girls was interesting, but I can't agree with the idea of Prentiss being the kid in the shower.
My reason...? The film unfortunately doesn't support this high-flying analysis at all.
Two proofs:
In the trial scene where Kim is testifying, she says that Prentice came to her aid when the cop tried to feel her up.
The lawyer: "So Mr Prentiss intervened to protect you?"
Kim: "Yes, " (looking over at Prentice, adds) "And not for the first time."
At that she looks over at Prentice who smiles... they are both remembering the shower scene.
MORE TO THE POINT:
The shower scene.
A boy is being bullied in the shower. Suddenly, a voice yells out: "Leave him alone!"
The main bully turns to the boy intervening and says:
"OH YEAH. I FORGOT. YOU GO OUT WITH HIM, DON'T YOU PRENTISS?"

Well, that pretty much destroys the entire theory, doesn't it?
Nice try though!

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You guys are putting WAY too much into this. The boy showering who is getting picked on is Karl who later became Kim. The person who helps him out is Prentice. When the tabloid story is sold they gave the photo of the bully who lead the attack just as a lark to get back at him after 20+ years.

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They used the bully's picture in the end for the newspaper publication to get their revenge.

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i have to say i was a little confused, myself. but i did figure it was just revenge. i thought it was the most romantic thing, though... prentis saving him those times. an d prentis is totally fine, both as a teen and adult. you can't mistake him; he has the "bad-boy walk with the jacket tossed over his shoulder" look all the way down the hall. hotness. too bad he started looking all middle-aged in vendetta...


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"i have to say i was a little confused, myself. but i did figure it was just revenge. i thought it was the most romantic thing, though... prentis saving him those times. an d prentis is totally fine, both as a teen and adult. you can't mistake him; he has the "bad-boy walk with the jacket tossed over his shoulder" look all the way down the hall. hotness. too bad he started looking all middle-aged in vendetta..."

Yeah, too bad people get older...should just line them up along a huge ditch after 35 and execute them, right? The cruelest irony in life is watching the young grow older and less valued, but hey, you're paving the way right now for your own future.






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ooh! sounds like somebody's hit a crisis! get over it.

he'd be my type if i were older.


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"ooh! sounds like somebody's hit a crisis! get over it.
he'd be my type if i were older."

No crisis here Grasshopper, you're the one that said "too bad he's looking middle aged". I'd say you suffer from ageism....there's no reason you can't be romantically attracted to someone who's older-it's all in your head.



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hmm. i had a theory, and checked a bit of your message history. turns out i was dead-on, you're one of those people who just likes to start sh!t on these boards. i'm more of a "let's have fun and talk about movies" kind of gal, so i'll leave it at this: it's a personal preference. you really don't need to comment on personal preferences, but thanks for the perfectly worthless mini-argument.


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grossly offensive? so grossly offensive it warranted this kind of waste of your time and energy? i was under the impression that with age comes the wisdom and patience to let things that don't matter just roll. well, it's all wasted MY time, so we'll leave it at: you don't know me or anything about me; you seem to be quite the social fascist, believing that the personal preferences of others can be flat-out wrong (as a result, you should probably stay away from web boards, sweetie. be warned that personal opinions and preferences ABOUND!); this has not been informative, fun, or in any way relevant to... anything, really. get in touch with your joy. go snowboarding or something.


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"grossly offensive? so grossly offensive it warranted this kind of waste of your time and energy? i was under the impression that with age comes the wisdom and patience to let things that don't matter just roll."

And yet you decide to continue this-as stupidly inept as your first comment, "sweetie". To "let it roll" teaches you absolutely nothing and only shows your insensitivity and unwillingness to learn/listen. And you shouldn't use word phrases like "social Fascist" for somebody just giving you some harmless feedback, unless you know what you are talking about, which clearly you don’t. My "joy" as you put it, is conversing with the realm of people whom makeup the Internet....that is if they are not delusional that they have all the answers at such a young age. You're not 'learning anything' because your mind is closed to receive anything, other than what you want to hear. Maybe someday you'll 'get it'...perhaps not. Good luck in life with such a chip...


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too bad he started looking all middle-aged in vendetta...


Chiming in 10 years later (wow!). Although the 90's were Rupert's most gorgeous years, in my opinion, he's never had an awkward phase, and is beautiful in every decade. I think he's getting even more gorgeous as he gets older. Look at him as the silver fox Lestrade in Sherlock. yum!

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of course karl is the one in the shower.....
and do you look same in the shower and right now?

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Uh, the person in the shower at the beginning IS Karl. Hence, Kim saying "that wasn't the first time he protected me." If it was supposed to be someone else, the movie would've made it clearer. It's not exactly a subtle film.

As for the picture of the bully. Paul looks at that bully's face right before he looks at the picture of him and Karl. That's just showing us the kid's face so later in the film we can connect that they put that picture there. Or maybe it was just an accident in editing or whatever.

Either way, the person tucking in the shower at the start of the film is Karl... I just don't even see where this debate is coming from. Why can't we accept that the character shown TUCKING THEIR PENIS is the same character that got a sex change operation years later?

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I assumed that the reason they put the bully's picture in the paper is that they wanted everyone to think that he had become Kim. A final two fingers up to him.

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Yes! I recently watched this film and really enjoyed it, but was also confused by the photo at the end. I read some of the other messages that said Karl/Kim was one of the bullies and got even more confused, so much so that I TIVOed the film and just watched the beginning again. The most recent posts are correct - Karl is the one getting picked on, Prentice is the hero and the bully's photo is used as revenge. Phew - glad you guys helped me figure that out! They even look like their young versions so I agree that the film wouldn't try to make it so complicated or have such a strange twist - the real story is just as romantic and interesting.

Also, I think Prentice is gay or at least effeminate or sexually confused, and had a crush on Karl when they are young (he's gazing at Karl in the photo), which is why he has trouble falling in love with Kim. He hasn't been able to face his own self. He's also just a little boy who hasn't really grown up, perhaps partly because he hasn't really faced who he really is, so while he saved Karl when they were young, Kim now saves and protects him. And I disagree with the posts that complain about what a he-man Prentice is - he isn't a he-man at all. When I watched it again, he has very clear feminine qualities, including how he runs in the opening scene, how he dresses, etc. and he clearly doesn't have a real relationship with his "girlfriend." Plus there are comments made about his own penis in the dinner scene. And again, he's just a mixed up little boy. But he sure is cute!

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As for the picture of the bully. Paul looks at that bully's face right before he looks at the picture of him and Karl. That's just showing us the kid's face so later in the film we can connect that they put that picture there. Or maybe it was just an accident in editing or whatever.
I totally believe it was an accident. We're coming at it from watching it on television and probably on dvd and have probably have all seen the film more than once, so we notice it's the wrong picture. I'm not so sure an audience at a screening would given the picture was shown very briefly quite early in the film. More to the point, this movie tells us everything about the people in this film; we learn Kim's boss has never had a relationship, we get all this information about Kim's sister/brother-in-law/nephew and they are quite minor characters in the film. We also learn Kim is the brains behind Prentice selling the story to the press - so the movie should let us know they deliberately chose the bully's photo out of revenge but it's never mentioned.

The whole point of going to the press was to make money. When you give an authorized personal story and are paid in the media you have to sign a release that your information is accurate and true and they would be setting themselves up to be sued by the guy (and perhaps the paper) when he would discover they used his photo. I think what may have happened is when the mock-up of the newspaper page was made, either the wrong photo was accidentally submitted or picked and this was not caught until all those copies had been printed so the movie producers may have just decided to go with them thinking not many people would notice. If it was deliberate that the bully was chosen they really should have commented on this in the screenplay to make it clear.

I also suspect the scene where Prentice looks at the photo was shot after the ending with the newspaper copies. Prentice has pulled the photo out to get a look again at what Karl used to look like - why would he look at the bully first in the photo? I'll bet most people think at first in this scene that is supposed to be Karl but then suddenly the camera scans over to "Karl and Prentice" on the edge. And don't forget we never really get a good look at the bully in the first scene in the shower and then he is hardly acting alone in tormenting Karl, there's a whole bunch of boys there. I'm not even sure the "bully" in the photo is the actor who snaps Karl with the towel! I think the only reason we are seeing this other guy in the photo's first scene is because that's the photo that's ultimately (accidentally?) in the newspaper story in the end.

The irony is that the bully does indeed look more like Steven than the guy who plays the young Karl which may the reason the picture was chosen if mistakenly done so. The guy who plays teenaged Karl is frankly way too good-looking to have grown up to be Steven - and the young Prentice is not handsome enough to have emerged as Rupert, after all we are talking about a jump of a mere seventeen years, between 17 and 34, people don't change much in their looks in that period unless they gain weight or lose hair. Another thing that may have caused the photo confusion is young Karl has a playful smile in the class photo one might expect more on Prentice, seeming nothing like the worrisome Kim. Of course even the most sheepish, neurotic person smiles at times but it's just not good continuity for a film use a picture that is so out of character for the personality developed in the movie.

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My theory, though I could be wrong, is that the bully at the beginning is Karl/Kim and the effeminate boy in the shower is just another boy we are led to believe is Kim for most of the film. When Kim testifies that Prentice has protected her before, she was referring to the fact that when she was a boy Prentice stopped her from bullying and picking on another boy with similar issues to her own. Which would also be why Prentice stares are the photo of the bully before moving on to look at himself, where we see the other boy simply because he is next to Prentice and at this point in the film we are supposed to wrongly assume this is Kim, but in a shock twist Kim is in fact the bully.

Again, my theory

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No, totally wrong! The kid showering in the beginning is Karl. Prentice comes to his aid. They use the bully's picture later as revenge. That's all there is to it.

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How can you be sure? They never cal that kid Karl... the rescuer is without a doubt Prentice as they do say that, but they never call the boy showering Karl

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Because it just is. The movie was about Karl/Kim and Paul. Why would they show Paul rescuing some other random kid? Plus, the bullies were picking on Karl because of the way he was standing while showering, and 'tucking', etc.

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It makes no sense for them to use a different classmate's photo in the "before" half of their article about Kim, and the film doesn't even hint that they did. I honestly think in a shock twist, Karl was bullying the effeminate boy (going along with 'the boys', denying his/her true feelings, taking it out on another kid). When Prentice digs out his old school pictures he stares at the bully's face for a while before looking at himself and the boy he rescued

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