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The EMP would have killed the hummer too.


Since the EMP killed all the electronics in the helicopter and it crashed, wouldnt the EMP have killed the hummer as well? Think about it, even though the car was off, the battery was still connected which means the ECU still had power, the car wouldnt have been able to start, unless all hummers have carburetors, but I doubt that

Maybe Im just too technical

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battery is chemical energy not electrical

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battery is chemical energy not electrical

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my stepdads f250 has a diesel with an injector pump and no ECU.
if they followed one wee bit of detail in this movie, then all basic hummers/humvees would have pretty simple starting and fuel systems.
In this case, if they were driving those non-diesel, H2s with ECUs, they'd be fvcked, screwed and tatooed.

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The EMP wouldnt have killed the battery, but if the hummer had an ECU then it would have been getting power and it would have gotten fried.

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Also the woman says that the mine is 2000 feet deep! But it has a *beep*' elevator that works for mine that is maximum 100 feet deep!!!
The mine was not well designed! If you see the mine you think "this can't be a 2000 feet deep mine"! The elevator can take 2 people maximum! How in the world did they dig such a mine?!?!? How did they transfer the equipment down there with this *beep* elevator??
Also a nuclear head went off and the *beep*' mountain didn't collapse?!?!?!

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maibe cus its a movie?Use some imagination!" I say god-damn what a rush."

Hollywoods doing a good job at making me wanna see more Independent films.

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Movies and even video games get 'measurements' wrong almost always.

200 gallons of nitroglyserin in that tiny van? I DON'T THINK SO.

RA4 (or whatever it was) written 2048 times (or whatever it was), when you clearly see there's BARELY 100 of them on the wall? I DON'T THINK SO.

Enough cash to buy an expensive car and all the other things they need in that TINY PILE OF BILLS?! I DON'T THINK SO.

It's like moviemakers just want to use big numbers without considering how much that would really be, without understanding just how incredibly MUCH it would be if it was actually that much. So they just scribble some 'big number' on the script, then they make the movie and do 'whatever' without considering the depths or measurements or amounts VISUALLY at all.

It's like.. the scrip just 'says things', and then the visuals are whatever someone else wants us to see, and they don't have to match. That's what the moviemaking process seems like.

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An electro-magnetic pulse of that type will destroy the circuits of any standard-start gasoline car whether or not it is running at the time. The majority of diesel starters would be unaffected. HOWEVER . . .

The bomb was underground when it went off. Not only would being buried that deep have prevented radiation poisoning in outlying areas, the EMP would have never reached the surface!

Just a sprinkling of fact to ruin believability.

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Exactly. But even if the Nuke were above ground it would have to be a decent level above ground (around 1 or 2 miles) to have an effective EMP range. That and in the real world most military equipment (at least the equipment I work with) has EMP protection on electronic wires/circuits.

And that said.........this movie was not good...... oh and EMP would't make the helicopter blow up........

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Ok ok, chances are that the Nuke wouldn't have affected the car. If the car had an unprotected computer chip then perhaps, but the amount of eddy currents running around an engine, not to mention the magnetic fields circulating around from the alternator would surely cause damage to a chip that is not protected by something as simple as a lead galvanised case or something.

The size of the tyres on those Hummers are quite large which means that the car is not earthed (obviously, but they would be of extremely high resistance to current flow). I think that perhaps some of the emp was induced into bits and pieces of the car, but because it had nowhere to go, it was pretty useless.

The only reason that they turned off the engine was because the INTERFERANCE that the EMP would cause. The CPU would be fried because of the magnetic fault current only when the ignition switch is closed, but such a circuit will not work unless all switches are closed and it's a full circuit back to the battery.

I know all of this because I'm an electrician, so yes, the movie is relatively accurate when describing EMPs.

btw. I'm tired so perhaps some of my ramblings don't make much sense.







Chut up - Donnie Darko

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You guys actually sits and discusses IF a EMP hitted a car in an almost forgotten movie???
Get a got damn life dudes!!!

Soo lowlife!

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The EMP did not make the helicopter blow up. Crashing into the ground did.

"There is no room for failure now. The innocent must die."

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Wow. An incredible display of lack of logic, coupled with ignorance and stupidity.

But let me answer properly - I wouldn't want to be one of those people who only write ad hominems without any basis.

"You guys actually sits and discusses IF a EMP hitted a car in an almost forgotten movie???"

First of all, why do you ask when you can find out the truth very easily by yourself?

Second of all, why do you feel the need for multiple question marks? Are you three times more baffled than other people?

Third of all - it's "sit", not "sits". It's "discuss", not "discusses". Also, it's "hit", not "hitted". If you are going to critisize people, at least don't embarrass yourself by writing bad english / incorrect grammar. It makes you look dumb and illiterate.

Fourth of all, even if you do all your discussing standing up, is no reason to think that's the only normal way to do it. Most people indeed do their discussing sitting down, if given the opportunity/choice. Why do you see it as a problem?

Fifth of all - you are no better. You are actually writing a MEANINGLESS, grammatically wrong, illogical, ignorant post, probably also sitting down, about 'guys who sit and discuss if an EMP hit a car in an almost forgotten movie', in that very movie's discussion forum. Now what does that make you? Do people with "life" often do that? At least the other people's posts make sense and bring something to the discussion - they have a point. What's the point of your post? That people shouldn't discuss about 'almost forgotten movies' in their imdb forums? Why are you even here? Your post doesn't give anything. It just tries to take things from others. Other people at least try to make their posts interesting.

Your post is only interesting because it is curious how one individual can have so many lacks, and display all of them in such a short post.

"Get a got damn life dudes!!!"

Again, three exclamation points. Is this really that important to you? Then I would estimate you have much less "life" than other people here. I mean, you find an 'almost forgotten movie', find it's imdb discussion forum (which is meant for discussions about the movie, but for some reason you would prefer people to not use it or use it for some other purpose), then find a thread about the EMP just so you can write a belittling, insulting, trolling comment - and you feel you have more "life"? Is that what you call life? Not being able to discuss properly, but wanting to write something and wanting to feel superior to others, you do the exact thing as you accuse the others of doing (that supposedly proves they have no "life" (which you conveniently do not even define)), except that your message does not have interesting thoughts, useful content, any kind of pondering AND it's not even really about the movie.

Why would the "life" have to be "a got damn" one? What does that even mean? Do you mean "God damn life"? Which probably means that the Supreme Deity has damned the life - why would you want others to get a damned life? Wouldn't a regular, uncursed one do just as well?

By the way, how about if there are female humans contributing to the discussion? They do not have to get a 'got damn life'? You are also missing a comma. If you really want to say what I think you want to say, it'd be "Get a God damn life, dudes!"

"Soo lowlife!"

You know, "lowlife" doesn't have anything to do with "not having a life", or having 'less life than you' (though by the evidence you provide in your message, I can't see your 'life' being any better than anyone else's - you are still here in imdb, writing something really stupid).

It means something different altogether - like a human being with no morals, etc. So in the end, you even provide you don't even know what english words mean.

Is this your first attempt at writing sentences in english language?

I sometimes wonder why people like you have to exist, and why people like you write the kind of idiotic troll-messages you write. I guess I'll never know..

But please, try to come up with something more interesting next time, ok? Maybe you can learn english, and perhaps you can become smarter during the years - who knows - with lots of effort, perhaps you can one day write a proper english post with actual point to it, that is not an attempt to make yourself feel superior to others, but instead brings something useful / interesting to the discussion / community? Do you think you could one day achieve that?

Neither do I..

By the way, here is the wiktionary definition for you, and I think it fits your description nicely:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lowlife

p.s. What is this "life" you talk about anyway? Are you saying everyone here is DEAD? Don't the dead even get the right to discuss whatever they want? Is imdb discussion area TROLLING really more "lively" than actual discussion about the movie? If having a "life" means becoming like you, I'd rather remain dead. At least that way I get good discussions.


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not if they have a military grade Hummer, which is probably hardened against EMP.
The chopper was a civil one and not hardened.

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I was wondering why an EMP wounldn't disrupt the humans electrical signals. The Brain and heart both use electrical impluses

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Nerves transmit electrical impulses much differently than wires/batteries/power plants. Instead of having electrons being pushed down a line, nerves use chemical changes to move the message (impulse) along.

It's not the same thing.

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not if they have a military grade Hummer, which is probably hardened against EMP.


LOL! Humvees like that may offer little to no protection from IEDs in Iraq but I'm sure they could handle EMP from a nuclear blast!

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Dude that question is crap to begin with. Movies are not suposed to be realistic.

Sorry got to go I smell food

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It is realistic. The armor on the Hummer would have sheilded the hummers battery from the EMP, you moron.

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True that crash. See even though realism doesn't matter in movies he proved you wrong wow.

Sorry got to go I smell food

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should have.

"Peace and love"

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All this engine stuff aside - The EMP would have disabled the electronics of the remaining bomb in the hummer - whoops! Big plot hole

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it doesn't matter if the hummer is turned off. if it has an electronic starter, it gets fried and becomes a giant paper weight. aren't some military vehicles hardened against this? still doesn't make sense because the military chopper went down pretty quick.

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I gotta think that an underground blast in a copper mine
would NOT produce any signifigant EMP at the surface. That 's why the
idea of using EMP as a strategic weapon in itself is only effective when
you do a high-altitude burst such that the pulse spreads down and ruins
the power grid on the ground.

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