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This film proves Trier to be an evil hypocrite and that his god is satan

posted 13 years ago by Navaros
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Trier uses this film to call the Bible a lie and everyone who believes in the Bible evil.

Yet, Trier also uses the the film to call the satanic god that Bess prays to real, and presents that false and evil god as benevolent.

Trier's god cripples Jan as a trick, and instructs Bess to be a whore, and to get herself killed by psychos.

satan, the evil false god, does those things.

On the other hand, the God of the Bible is good, and hence would never do those things to a godly person.

Where does Trier get off calling God and people who follow the Bible evil, when he himself proves that his satanic god is far more evil (and it follows that so too would be the followers of that false god, such as Trier and those who agree with him) than any of the slanderous caricatures of real godly men that he puts into the film. And Trier also proves that he is insane for affirming the realness of his satanic god, and then, at the end, trying to present his evil satanic false god as 'good.'

In using the film to endorse his evil satanic false god as if he is real and 'good,' Trier proves himself to be far more evil than any of the slanderous caricatures of godly men which he put into the film.

What a hypocrite.

What a madman.

What a nonsensical, satanic film.

The ironic thing is that Trier unintentionally destroys his own idiotic message, because anyone who is not evil and has common sense will, just as I have pointed out, undoubtedly realize that his message is illogical to a degree that is ludicrous.

Equally ironic and ludicrous is how Trier also unintentionally destroys his own message because the good God of the Bible would never instruct anyone to sin; hence, if Bess followed that God instead of Trier's evil false god, nothing bad would have happened to Bess or Jan.

The ludicrousity of Trier's warped and satanic message will cause any decent person to flee from Trier and his false god, satan, to the real and good God that Trier hates so much. That must be how God will turn evil like Trier and this piece of crap film into good.

[–] Gronnaephos 13 years ago

You should try become a stand-up comedian!

[–] Navaros 12 years ago

No substantive rebuttals.

I will presume that that is because the OP is 100% correct and therefore irrefutable.

[–] LisaSA_456 12 years ago

No, it's because most people view you as a lost case. You're talking such nonsense that people can't be bothered to correct you.

However, I'm gonna humour you with this: Your crucial mistake is to confuse what Bess believes is happening and true, with what is actually happening and true.

There's no condemnation of God or the Bible. However, I do think Von Trier is condemning organised religion as practised by this group of morons. And rightly so.

Of course, even if Von Trier is condemning ALL organised religion, I wouldn't have a problem with that either. It produces people like you.

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[–] Navaros 9 years ago

You're talking such nonsense that people can't be bothered to correct you.

Everything I said in the OP is connected to the content of the film. Therefore, if I said any nonsense in the OP, it is only because this film put that nonsense into itself first.

Your crucial mistake is to confuse what Bess believes is happening and true, with what is actually happening and true.

That's what the film affirms. So it certainly is not my "mistake."

There's no condemnation of God or the Bible.

Yes, there certainly is. That's one of this film's main themes and probably its #1 purpose too.

It produces people like you.

Actually, "organised religion" as you put it tends to produce ungodly people who are exactly like Trier. Godly people come from following God, not from following the ungodly people who masquerade as holy in most "churches."

[–] enfilmigult 12 years ago

In my case, I figured it was a pretty safe bet you'd presume the same after reading a substantive rebuttal, so I didn't bother.

[–] enfilmigult 13 years ago

Oh my.

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[–] Robanjo78 12 years ago

Are you for real?

Anyway you just made me love BtW and LvT even more.

[–] m_antonioni 12 years ago

the God of the Bible is good, and hence would never do those things to a godly person.

I guess you never read the Book of Job.

the good God of the Bible would never instruct anyone to sin

I guess you never read Genesis.

[–] Navaros 9 years ago

I guess you never read the Book of Job.

God never instructed anyone to sin in the Book of Job.

I guess you never read Genesis.

God never instructed anyone to sin in Genesis. satan did though - exactly like Trier's satanic "God" does in this film. Thank you for corroborating the validity of my OP by helping to point that out. 

[–] emmaemmaem 12 years ago

If this film has provoked you to having this interesting argument (even an argument with yourself) then I think Von Trier has been very successful. Films should cause emotions and arguments - and that's why this film has won so many awards all about the world. Thanks for highlighting this once again with your impassioned debate...

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[–] feodoric 11 years ago

As Paul (the extraterrestrial) rightly said in the eponymous movie by Freg Mottola, "One can never win with these people". BTW, "Paul" must also be a product from some Hollywoodian Satanic cult too, with its hilarious depiction of Bible-thrusting fundamentalists who believe that the world was created in 6 days - He went to a Holy bar for a tall glass of iced Holy water to cool out on the 7th day - about 6,000 years ago (radiometric dating being of course some "trick" to make people believe in evolution) and that Darwin was the Antechrist.

But what irritates me the most with your delirious statements is to read this in your second message: "I will presume that that is because the OP is 100% correct and therefore irrefutable." I had to make sure twice, but the scary truth is: You were talking about Yourself. Do you realize how pretentious and sick it is to see oneself as irrefutable? Ooooooh, I get it. You are only a vehicle: it is Him who was speaking through Thee. Sorry, your Holiness...

Nope. One can never win with these people (even if it's not a question of winning or not).

[–] fullautofury 12 years ago

OP is a troll...

[–] ReasonlsOutToLunch 11 years ago

or insane. Possibly both.

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[–] Navaros 9 years ago

OP is a troll...

or insane. Possibly both.

Nope, OP is neither.

You two make those logical fallacy ad hom attacks only because there is no legitimate argument that can refute the OP. In other words, your ad homs serve only to further corroborate the validity of the OP. 

[–] Gabe1972 11 years ago

Either you are on some really strange meds, or you need to be. It's almost as if you believe that what happened in the film was actually being caused by God. Do you not realize that she was a bit nuts? God had nothing to do with it. It was nothing more than coincidence, which because she was nuts, she believed was because of God.

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[–] Navaros 9 years ago

. It's almost as if you believe that what happened in the film was actually being caused by God.

That's exactly what the film affirms. Especially at the end with the church bells in the sky that everyone sees. But I don't believe it was being caused by God. Rather, I believe it was being caused by satan, whom Trier falsely presents as God in this film.