Anyone else feel sorry for Caesar ? - Bound (1996) Discussion

[–] Narthumpulous 15 years ago

I wouldn't say I felt sorry for Ceasar, but it's definately easy to sympathize with his character. He gets screwed over pretty badly and shows a respectable amount of resolve and determination, with how long he sticks things out for throughout the movie's many twists and turns. But he ultimately brought every bad thing that befalls him upon himself, so I do think he deserved it. Everyone gets what's coming to them, eventually.

"Aint you never been to the theatre before?" - Bill the Butcher

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[–] name01870 15 years ago

Thanks for ruining his role, I didn't read what you wrote but appearently something bad happens to him. Might want to add *Spoilers* Anybody else feel sorry for... next time.

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[–] Psinex6 15 years ago

Uh, if you haven't seen it in the ten years it's been out and you come looking on these message boards, you're asking for spoilers.

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[–] fanman-6 15 years ago

how did he bring it upon himself? he was betrayed by violet. i was actually rooting for him to kill the bitches who doublecrossed him and get away at the end.

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[–] Narthumpulous 15 years ago

"how did he bring it upon himself? he was betrayed by violet. i was actually rooting for him to kill the bitches who doublecrossed him and get away at the end."

Well, look at the life Ceasar lived and who he was tied in with. He wasn't exactly a saint. I'm sure he screwed over lots of other people for the sake of lining his own pockets. If you live a life of doing wrong by others for your own personal benefit, it only serves to come back to you ten fold in the end. In one way or another. But don't get me wrong... I would have been equally satisfied with the movie if those two scheming little dykes ended up getting screwed over, too.

"Aint you never been to the theatre before?" - Bill the Butcher

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[–] lamont-hard 11 years ago

If it never bothers her years later for what she did then she is a worse character that how most are seeing her. One has to wonder how someone can do this without feeling something on how his life ended with him being murdered by there hands. Obviously these two will split at some point and what would have been gained for the one pulling the trigger. Fate catches up to most people and murder is at the top of the list.

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[–] tub51461 9 years ago

It won't bother her. She wasn't happy living with the Family. For 5 years, she was afraid of Ceasar, must have witnessed, heard about, and seen so much stuff and plus all the crap that had to be done for her own happiness while working as a mafia prostitute. If she didn't break out, find a way to live the way she truly wanted to be emotionally free, never have the responsibility of someone expecting her to be with them the entire time even if she doesn't agree with their lives. Personally, I call the $2,000,000 severance pay for 5 years. Being the long time girlfriend of a mobster, she never would have broke out if she didn't kill him. He was jealous and controlling I'd imagine and of course a killer.

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[–] lamont-hard 9 years ago

it's called leaving the man and not looking back, not murdering because you were to cowardly to do it. His crimes and punishment is in gods hands [or a court of law]not hers.

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[–] tub51461 9 years ago

A controlling man doesn't allow their women to leave. Ceasar would have hunted her down because he couldn't believe she wasn't interested in him and was a lesbian. Run from the mob, they will kill you. You have to ask permission practically to leave and make sure they know you don't know anything. Given the circumstance, she didn't just kill the man in cold blood. She put the rabid dog down before it bites her on the ass.

It's life and death with these folks. That in itself is why Vi was tired. She wanted something more without the bloodshed and without having to struggle with no skill sets at all besides that beautiful body and beautiful mind. With 2,000,000 smackers and someone who makes her life worth a lot more, she's happy.

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[–] lamont-hard 9 years ago

You are using mob cliches and your fondness of the character to make them something they are not. She's experienced and stop saying if she wanted get away she could not.

Also you keep playing the lesbian card when it has to do with his murder.

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[–] tub51461 7 years ago

You really think those psychotic sons of bitches are going to let her walk for real before she bumped off Ceasar. Mob plays off fear. Everyone knows that. Sometimes they have to, sometimes it's just a unnecessary twisted sense of control. They are criminals for a reason. Why does the US Marshall Service have a little thing called Witness Protection?

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[–] lamont-hard 7 years ago

If she wanted to leave she could have. You make her out to be so smart yet she can't figure out how to just leave him and the life. She murdered for money plain and simple. Can you admit she was at least this smart. She's a trashy hustler and it's only a matter of time before it's her turn to get what she dissed out.

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[–] SausagePourVous 9 years ago

The 2,000,000 million dollars was"severance pay"for 5 years? 5 years in hell,right? What are you on? Ceasar BOUGHT Violet that apartment. He supported her. He Never beat her. She had zero when he found her. When she answers what Corky did to her and she replies"Everything you couldn´t",in that situation,when he realize she tried to screw him over and get him killed,she deserved a slap...but he put her in her place with words. So she was with a man she was afraid of for no reason for 5 years...wow. Do you have this prequel to Bound,do you know where I can get it?

Ceasar is maybe the antagonist but certainly not the villain in this film,there isn´t one. ALL of these three characters exist on the same morally bankrupt level. Was he jealous? Well,concidering she was banging other dudes AND women,his so called suspicions were pretty justified,weren´t they?

What she and Corky did was so extremely low, most criminals would be embarrassed to be in the same room as her...or him,if it was a dude,a best friend. Honor amongst thieves,you know? A crook,yes but set him up to be murdered or hunted for the rest of his life so SHE can have a happy ever after? Yeah,I´m sure he loved washing and ironing two million dollars by hand once a month.....living the dream.

"And of course a killer." REALLY? You sure? He seemed like a mid-level moneylaunderer for the mob to me. Who still was so respected that he could break a gangsterboss´s sons nose and live,just asked to not repeat it. We DON´T KNOW if he EVER had killed anyone before that night,maybe someone but I doubt it(Again,HOW do I get my hands on the prequel BOUND:Violet unbound). That is part of the POINT...Ceasar didn´t know Violet after all those years and she obviously didn´t know him.

She figured he was weak and afraid. He was afraid but had balls and resolve....the ladies pushed him over the edge and we saw a side of him he probably never had seen as his paranoia and the downward spiral made him snap. At least HE can shed tears,if they ever did,I bet they would be poisonous. With his back against the wall,he was very cunning,desperate,losing his mind but not his determination to get the money back. The two ungrateful pissants,he should´ve put them down and ignored the money but....pride and greed are killers.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (50578328) 8 years ago

Two trillion dollars?!

LOL

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[–] kkarma2 15 years ago

He is crook, small time or bigtime does not make it any better.
He is not saint.
I would sympathize with him if he was not a crook but lets say for e.g. He was working ate Bar/Company that owed the Mafia some money. And they give it to him to pay it to the Mafia.

Anyone else was not supposed to feel sorry for Ceasar :-P
Infact we were not supposed to think of the two ladies as crooks. They think of robbing from a robber which is ok i guess.

If you notice there is no case there. Ceasar cannot go to the police so that is why they decide to rob him. Since he cannot complain anywhere means legally its right(actually the legal system would not be bothered to spend time and money)
So it makes it legit I guess.

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[–] Cypherven 15 years ago

Caesar was not an average crook, he was very involved with the mafia, and surely killed a lot of people to get Marzoni's trust.

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[–] truehammer 15 years ago

I agree I did feel sorry for him and I was sorta rooting for him. For the purposes of the film he had to go though.

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[–] Nirhtuc 15 years ago

No way, I hated him- he's pretty pathetic. I loved the ending.

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[–] moviestar26 15 years ago

I only sympathise with him to the point of him being a guy. I feel sorry for guys that are done over by women. If he was double crossed by a good guy, I would feel he deserved it.
Women who have watched this movie however would mostly have felt that he dserved it.

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[–] mattstevens 15 years ago

I love the ending too, but I still feel bad for the sucker. He really got screwed over.

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[–] tub51461 9 years ago

Hear hear. He is so blind by his own ambitions that he allowed Vi to use him just as much as his friends and him use her like a toilet. For once in her life, Vi made a decision to move on, rather than just working under his thumb and living with a very unstable man and his dangerous lifestyle, even as well they took care of her it wasn't enough because she had no future and wasn't happy. Sometimes being given everything isn't enough.

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[–] lorddeseiz 14 years ago

Not really no, he had it commin. Torturing people, and all other stuff that comes with being on the payroll of the mob...; I believe in karma, so what happens to him, even if its only a movie, it was "bound" to happen someday.

I actually felt sorry for Micky, what an idiot not to see that something is way off at that place and Caesar is acting strange.
" - I tried to call you but the phone was busy.
- Aw damn, that was me, I forgot to hang up." (... oO?)

2 minutes later the phone rings, no reaction from Micky (... oO?)

And then he gets rejected by V, poor bastard. Ugly, dumb and lonely.

Any last words ?
Shut the *beep* up

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[–] Suskis 14 years ago

"Deserving to get killed", no (nobody deserves to get killed). But how can you root for someone that after withnessing torture and blood cooled headshot of a person he just complains about his shirt and having to wash the money?
Whoever works with Mafia deserves to be life sentenced.
It worries me how lightly is taken Mafia outside Italy. Maybe because of Sopranos or even movies like The Godfather.
Forget that Mafia. Mafia is killing children and throwing their bodies in acid tubs.

'What has been affirmed without proof can also be denied without proof.' (Euclid)

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[–] mv5 14 years ago

...You call a small time crook someone who operates with top mob bosses on a regular basis and handles millions of dollars, tortures and kills?

Whats up with everyone always pitying the men in movies who have something emotional happen from "some bitch", even though he tortures and kills? She gave him lots of chances to run, lots of chances to live etc, youd know that if youve seen it ten times. The problem is youre putting yourself in the guys place instead of the main character, which kind of says something about you. The chick who got seduced and brought into this whole situation is the main character. She was told by violet that she was trapped in a bad relationship and wanted out, violet figured whats wrong with starting a new life with money he stole from someone anyways (he killed for it), i mean really, who deserves it more? But no pity the mafia member, not the plumber who was dragged into this, shes apparently a "scheming dyke" according to most on here. Movie boards usually go that direction when it comes to the women so im not surprised.

""Surely the 3 of them could have split the money and lived happily ever after . It would have made an interesting sequel , especially in the sex scenes :) ""

He had plenty of chances to split the money, save his life, leave etc. his pride got in the way of him (its basically the moral of the story in case you missed that). And the whole basis of the movie was that violet doesnt want to live with him, especially not have sex with him. What in your desperate little mind makes you think they would ever have a threesome?

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[–] Myth-and-Mayhem 14 years ago

He's an evil murdering mobster, being killed is part of the job description. He's a vicious criminal. I don't feel sorry for him at all! If he was a mild tempered pharmacy worker who gets screwed over by his non-heterosexual wife, yea, totally, he deserves sympathy, but he's not, so he doesn't.

"...the young man would love it too, but he can't afford it."

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[–] SausagePourVous 14 years ago

Those two ladies hardly pass as judge,jury and executioner. So he laundred money fpr the mob,watched a rat get tortured...he still thought Violet was hot after 5 years(nuts,not hot),diddn´t beat her,gave her an apartent...and she does not just steal the money,she wants to get him in deep trouble with the mob.Too harsh...he was the lead character and you felt his angst as he started to loose his mind but not his survival instinct.I mean,the slags set things in motion,then it´s all about Ceasar....and gunning him down in the end was the only way to beat him since outsmarting him was not something they in the end could pull off.....good talk Pussy

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[–] koffeenkreame41-1 13 years ago

^^Agreed. He was the underdog and they put him through so much that he loses it. He completely loses it and Violet was trying to set him up to be killed by the mob. How could you NOT feel sorry for the guy? I LOVED this film but Violet & Corky weren't perfect either. I love how they want you to root for whoever you think is right.

"I am the ultimate badass, you do not wanna `*beep*` wit' me!" Hudson in Aliens.

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[–] SausagePourVous 13 years ago

I love how he looses his mind but never his intelligence or survival instincts.Some great acting from Pantoliano...or Ceasar,some acting within the acting,when he has to acts surprised when Mickey comes by for instance.

He underestimates Violet basically on the simple premise that he thinks she is straight and still likes him.They underestimate him,thinking he´s not that dangerous or smart.

Sometimes he´s so close to the truth,yet kinda far away,it´s so intriguing.Can´t see how this role didn´t open up more doors for Pantoliano,like a mix between a crazy,young Nicholson and Pesci here,a great and different portrayal of the cliche gangster.I think the directors wants us to root for the girls but I could be wrong,hope I´m wrong.

One of the great gangstermovies.Wonderful cinematography and the small cast and it all taking place in an apartment gives it a feeling of theatre to me.

Best scene:Ceasar confronting Gino and Johnny.The tension,the score...magic.

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[–] koffeenkreame41-1 12 years ago

^^Agreed! He still was able to think quick on his feet.

"I am the ultimate badass, you do not wanna `*beep*` wit me!"- Hudson in Aliens.

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