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Problems with the reunion episode


I'll probably have to watch this again to make a full judgment. I didn't entirely hate it but I didn't love it either. My problems;

1) Hated the film within a film device and didn't like the camera woman being there with the gang.

2) There is NO WAY Miles would have left his legal career to become a bohemian country squire. Miles was always in competition with Anna on this front.

3) How could Egg have written a novel and become famous? He was always a loveable but DIM character. His vocation in life was cooking. What happened to his cafe?

4) Miles infatuation with Anna no longer works because while Jack Davenport has retained his boyish charm Daniella Nardini now looks like his Mum. Having said that Anna was woefully underused and the show crackled into life when she was given something to do even if it was only a quip.

5) Warren was fuzzily defined in this episode. I can't quite explain it but Jason Hughes didn't quite know whether to be whacky or uptight.

6) I wasn't bothered before but after seeing the show I wish Joe and Kira could have been in it even for a cameo. Ferdy too.

7) The quick opening shots of Anna in the street and then in court were just like the original in atmosphere and style. Perhaps they should have done the whole show in this style in London with Milly and Miles still in Law, Egg running his restaurant, Kira and Joe popping up. The show seemed a bit stilted once the country house angle came in and reminded me of that film 'Peter's Friends' a bit rather than 'This Life'.

8) Miles walking out at the end with a bag over his shoulder. Is this the same character he played ten years ago?

I could on but you get the general idea.

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It was so Unconstructed!!i cant say it was rushed, just out of character, plot and many more!!
Dissapointed!

Bullshyt MR han-man!!

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Actually I disagree.

How many of you are doing the same things as you were 10 years ago?

How many have the same group of friends.

Can any one truely say that their character has not changed in the last 10 years?

If they had all been exactly the same as 10 years ago then it would have been dull - and totally unbelievable.



"what I said about you was true too, only I shouldn't have said it"

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10 yrs ago..in comparison to how milly was, i wouldnt imagined her being some housewife/mother who dropped her carerar?? come on now, that was over the top exaggeration!

MAI-LING was an awful character, at times i thought i was watching a surreal drama..


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With regard to your point 3, have you never encountered a novelist whose writing IS terrible and yet can become successful, being feted as a Meeedyah dahling? I would say this is the one point that they actually got right.

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I think the idea of having them being filmed rather spoilt it - they were all, to some extent, on their guard... If they'd been able to interact naturally all the way through, I think it would have been more satisfying... As it was, I was a bit underwhelmed and disappointed... And, what had they done to Warren..?! Of course, they would all have changed and moved on and he was always well into the counselling thing, wasn't he..? But, all that life-coaching bollocks..! Then, he went through the tapes 'til he found that bit where Miles said he'd missed him when he was away. But, nothing came of it.

I just got done taming a wild honeymoon stallion for you guys.

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i did like the pizz take of the "friends" opening sequence bit when they were dancing , getting drunk..

Bullshyt MR han-man!!

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I hadn't noticed the similarity to "Friends" in that sequence. But, now you mention it, Jim_Kellys_Afro..! I didn't really see the point of the Mai Ling character at all - just another distraction, like the film-maker girlie.

I just got done taming a wild honeymoon stallion for you guys.

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Maybe she was intended as a McGuffin.

Regarding the Friends pastiche: as somebody mentioned in another thread, the episode also has several parallels to the similarly-named film Peter's Friends.

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A terrific post Glenn, agree with all your points.

Just bumping up a post I made straight after the show which sums up my feelings about the mess that was +10.

I am a complete This Life obsessive. I own every single episode on video and can repeat the script off by heart.
I admit my expectations for the reunion were probably unrealistically high but I was still crushed by how poor it was and most of all how it departed so radically from the original two series in so many ways. There were so many let-downs I barely know where to begin.
The 'documentary' mechanic must have seemed like a good idea at the time but it just came over as clunky and contrived. I just ended up being irritated beyond belief by the annoying camerawoman hovering in the background, taking the focus away from the characters.
When I read previews about the central idea of the reunion, alarm bells were already ringing. So, Egg has basically written the book of the first two series, and now this woman is filming the reunion of the characters in Egg's book, which in itself is a TV series? So it's a play within a play within a play? In what parallel universe was this deemed a great idea?
I notice in the ten-minute programme afterwards that the producer referred to the 'documentary' format as a 'nod to how TV has changed in the last ten years'. The Office patented the 'mock-doc' idea about five years ago!! It's now outdated and took the programme too far away from the ethos of the original. I noticed also the trademark 'shaky camera' direction was gotten rid of. Why? That was part of what made the original series so gritty and relatable.
On to the plot: Are we expected to believe that Miles and his best man Egg would not have kept in contact for the previous ten years? And that Anna would fall out so spectacularly with her closest friend Millie over simply being jealous of Milly having had a child? Anna could be hot-headed but to
completely alienate her best mate due to child-envy? Not a chance.
Miles' character seemed to have become a caricature of his former self. He's gone from smooth-talking pompous arrogance to some sort of mad Boris Johnston country gent. And the bailiffs happening to arrive on the weekend of the reunion? What? The greatest thing about the original two series was that it was believable. It was what REALLY happened, in real life. This was just nonsense.
Egg and Milly's relationship wasn't properly explained. Egg said to the documentary maker at the start that they weren't 'properly married'. Well what were they then? They obviously had a kid but there seemed to be no discernible relationship between them at all, even with Egg's daft late gesture in the lake.
The script was so clumsy: From Anna's bizarre outburst shoe-horned into the middle of dinner apropos of nothing ("Anna, could you pass the salad?" "Salad, what use is that? I need a child!") to Warren's boring bumbo jumbo about new age therapy. Sure, he was always self-analysing and worrying, but underneath it all he was likeable. This time around I just found him irritating and could not relate to him at all. As with many of the main protagonists, the writers took his character traits too far away from what he was like originally for it to be believable.
Most of all it simply wasn't clever or funny. I didn't laugh once or nod knowingly at some reference to past events or some subtle insight about their motives. It was all just a bit daft, like a self-mocking spoof, not realistic.
Another more minor complaint. What happened to Joe, Keira, Rachael and O'Donnell? Obviously they were not still part of the main characters' lives, which is fine, but could their fates not have been mentioned in passing?
I'll stop short of saying it has soiled my cherished nostalgic memories of the original two series (the best drama of all time, which will never be bettered), but I'll certainly think slightly less of the writers after this ill-conceived mish mash. So sad.

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There is a really good review in the Times that gets it spot on. Amongst other things the writer notes:

"The truth is that Jenkins may have created This Life, but the best episodes were written by others, notably Richard Zajdlic."

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14936-2528895.html





"Once you watched This Life and felt stabs of recognition. Now, the characters seem so alien that you struggle to remember why you cared.

But this was less a drama and more a showing-off vehicle for Amy Jenkins, the show’s creator and writer of the reunion: an indulgent, self-congratulatory bid for easy applause from an audience just happy to see old friends again. Jenkins also wished to luxuriate in the culture-moulding brilliance of her creation. So the book that made Egg famous turned out to be the barely fictionalised story of the group. The reunion, at Miles’s house in the country, was the subject of a reality documentary.

These wheezes were totally absurd but they allowed the characters to talk to the camera, and each other, about themselves in the third person. Egg told Mark Lawson that the book had struck a chord because it focused on that period in one’s twenties “when you’re being launched into the world before you become an adult proper”. Well, gee, thanks, but we didn’t want a deconstruction of This Life."


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I did a review of the reunion show on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115390/usercomments-12)
and while I still stand by much of what I wrote there, reading some of the comments here have made me realise just how flawed this project was. In many ways Jenkins and the cast were on a bit of a hiding to nothing, but they appear to have completely alienated most of their trustiest fans. Not one person I spoke to gave it a ringing endorsement and many will now have a slightly diminished opinion of what was a truly original and era-defining show.

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I too was dissappointed with the reunion. Hated the girl following them around. I was bored to tears until Anna arrived. Very little worked. Only a couple of moments worth watching it for;

(i) Anna's comment about 'supermum, stepford wife, it's all the same.' I thought this comment gave a good insight into how career women view stay at home mums. Looking down but envious at the same time. It was a relevant confrontation in today's world.

(ii) Warren's realisation that Miles missed him when he left for Australia.

(iii) The dancing scene. Now I know this has got alot of criticism, I read a review that it was the cringiest scene in television history ... but don't you get it??? You can't look cool dancing like that in your mid thirties, and I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say, it was supposed to be cringy ..... ?!



When people fail you there's always music and meaning

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There is a really good review in the Times that gets it spot on. Amongst other things the writer notes:

"The truth is that Jenkins may have created This Life, but the best episodes were written by others, notably Richard Zajdlic."

That is so true! I felt that the show really got better after she stopped writing scripts. Other writers were better than her, especially Richard Zajdlic, and I must mention William Gaminara who wrote "The Secret Of My Excess".

I haven't seen the +10 reunion episode, but reading this, I don't really want to see it.




better sorry than safe

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Watching the repeats before Christmas reminded me what a compelling series this was; brilliantly scripted and immaculately performed, it truly was essential viewing, certainly for anyone in their twenties a decade ago. Having been one of those original devotees, I was naturally curious to see what the "+10" episode would be like, as well as being a little apprehensive: rather like when one of your favourite bands get back together having split up years ago... and leave you wishing they hadn't bothered.

And sure enough, I wish they hadn't. Anyone who tuned in to "+10" without having seen the series before must surely have wondered what all the fuss was about, and even as a fan I'd have to agree with virtually every criticism above. All I can add is that the whole thing seemed to go to extraordinary lengths to set the stage for what was ultimately a completely inconsequential 90 minutes. Admittedly, nobody expected it simply to pick up where series two left off so dramatically but the setting for this was ridiculously contrived, with the obnoxious influence of reality TV awkwardly making its presence felt as an unnecessary device to bring about the reunion - as though the funeral itself wouldn't be a good enough reason.

Furthermore, the characters here were virtually unrecognisable from the ones we last saw at Miles' (first) wedding. Where they were once fully-rounded and convincing, here they were reduced to one-dimensional caricatures, and after about half an hour, I was shocked to realise that I just didn't care about these people at all. It didn't help that the peripheral characters seemed to serve little purpose other than to intrude on the whole thing (I couldn't have agreed more with Warren's remark that Mai-Ling's departure was probably for the best). The likes of Jo, Kira and Rachel, who gave the original series such added breadth and momentum, were sadly conspicuous by their absence here.

As for the dialogue and plot, the cast might as well have been improvising; in fact, this probably would have been more interesting to watch. Perhaps a one-off drama was never going to allow sufficient time to tie up all the loose ends as well as one might have liked, but this ill-planned script didn't even try to fill in the blanks. If anything, it left even more questions unanswered than before. Someone somewhere really should have sent this one back to the drawing board, or just binned it altogether. Unfortunately, everyone concerned seems to have been less interested in creating a worthy sequel than in having a self-indulgent anniversary party at the licence-payers' expense, tarnishing the reputation of one of the BBC's greatest cult drama series in the process.

All in all, it's a shame the tapes of this didn't get thrown in the lake as well.

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3) How could Egg have written a novel and become famous? He was always a loveable but DIM character. His vocation in life was cooking. What happened to his cafe?


I don't think Egg could be all that dim. He had a law degree did he not, or did he work for O'Donnell's firm in another capacity? I'm not to sure about this because you never really saw any of them in action in the court-rooms.

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As a hardened fan of the original I liked it, it was never going to live up to the hype though.

Things I wish were included

Joe
Keira
O Donnell resolution
How they all left law
Anna's alcoholism
Ferdy

but what can you do it natural that they will all be a little more boring in their 30's now, happens us all :-(

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Speak for yourself!

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Fair enough I guess it boils down to how your life goes..

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He had an English degree (and before you make the obvious reply - just like me, so less of the cheek)

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I had not heard of This Life until a few months before the +10 episode was broadcast (im only 17!) so I decided to watch it to see what all the fuss was about...and was not in the least bit impressed.
Thank god I registered wiht IMDB and read what you guys said about it not being a thing like the series. So I bought series 1. And I have to say I'm so glad I did.

Btw, does Miles being with Mai-Ling not smack horribly of his relationship with the bullimic prostitute/model/whatever she was in episode 2/3 of series one?

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