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Some things that confused me... (SPOILERS)


Question 1

In the second episode when Benny attacks Cyril with the hammer, he turns to Geordie and says 'I'll never forget what you done'. I've never been very clear about what Geordie was supposed to have done.

Had Geordie found out and told Benny (although this wasn't shown in the programme) or was it because Geordie came and stood next to Benny when the thugs turned up?

Question 2

In one of the later episodes (I think 1979) Geordie says that he was set up by Benny because of his affair with Julia Allen. This wasn't the impression I got. Benny found out about the affair in 1967 and set Geordie up in 1970.

At the end of the 1967 episode Benny tells Geordie that 'all women are rubbish' in a scene that I thought maybe re-affirmed Benny's confidence in Geordie.

Would Benny wait 3 whole years before setting Geordie up for this? My impression was that he was set up because he had been shooting his mouth off during the investigations.

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Q1 - I get the impression that it's because Geordie stood up to the other gang and didnt run off.

Q2 - Don't think Geordie had shouted to anyone, granted he may have been a bit loud (one of the coppers mentions geordies name, during a taped interview but this may be because he was the one taking the bribe money to the police and was therefore known to a few of them). It's made clear at some point though that the police were 'in' on geordies arrest. Barrat knew he would have to either give himself or one of his guys over to the police when the Met changed hands so as to quieten them. Think overall, Barrat knew geordie had gone behind his back with Julia and was just biding his time as to when to punish him for it.
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As far as question 2 is concerned:

If I remember rightly, the Met didn't change hands until the 1974 episode and Geordie was arrested at the end of the 1970 episode. Geordie admits to Barratt and Salway that he had been talking to the police but he didn't see what the problem was.

When Geordie goes on his 'holiday', Barratt doesn't speak to him, this was 3 years after the affair with Julia. Barratt could easily have planted the porn in Geordie's flat much earlier and I don't think he would have waited 3 years to get revenge.

I think Geordie was framed because he put the whole business at risk by talking to the wrong people.

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1970 episode:

Geordie Peacock is shown acting as bagman between Benny Barratt and Commander Harold Chapple, delivering payoffs to the West End Central corrupt police ring via DCS John Salway.

Geordie is also shown throughout the episode to have lost much of the vitality he showed on first arriving in London, to be jaded, and to be drinking heavily. We may reasonably infer that he is on a downward spiral since his confrontation with Benny Barratt over Jules (when Benny gave his "all women are rubbish" speech whilst making Geordie watch Jules and another woman with John Salway through the secret one-way window).

DS Croxley (a corrupt officer outside of the West End Central/Chapple ring) is taped by 'Times' journalists soliciting payoffs from Frisch, a criminal and former sex shop manager working for Benny Barratt in Soho.

Commissioner Colin Bramire meets with the duty officer who is first warned of the story in 'The Times', DCS Dennis Cockburn (an honest but alcoholic officer) and Commander Harold Chapple, who is orchestrating the police side of the Soho corruption ring.

Cockburn is reluctantly tasked by Bramire with investigating the allegations of corruption. Chapple gives him Salway to help. Salway tries to suggest Frisch made up the allegations, and/or Croxley was trying to see if Frisch would attempt to bribe him. Cockburn identifies Geordie Peacock - mentioned on the tape - as a vital witness. Salway steers the line of inquiry from finding Geordie to putting pressure on Frisch to recant.

Salway visits Benny Barratt to warn him about the Frisch problem. Barratt assures him Frisch was never aware of Barratt's arrangement with West End Central/Chapple. They decide to find out how Croxley came to use Geordie's name as an endorsement of the services he offered on the tape. They ask Geordie whether he knows Croxley. He admits he knows him from drinking in the King Club. To Geordie one bent cop is the same as another, so "what difference does it make".

Salway tries to close down the Geordie/Croxley connection through his involvement in the investigating team. He puts pressure on Frisch to change his story, by threatening him and suggesting he invent a story that the journalists bribed him to make the story up. Cockburn continues to ask for Geordie to be found.

Meanwhile the Home Secretary appoints a provincial DCC, Roy Johnston, to lead the inquiry. Bramire (concerned at the perceived slight to the autonomy of the Met) and Chapple (concerned Johnson, who has a reputation for "put[ting] cops in gaol", might make unearth evidence of the West End Central/Chapple corruption ring) consult with a lawyer to get Johnson taken off, or to limit his terms of inquiry; but to no avail. Cockburn asks Johnson to be relieved of his part in the investigation, but Johnson refuses. Cockburn is reinvigorated by Johnson's tenacity and refusal to be cowed by Bramire or Chapple.

After being stymied by the very corrupt cops he is trying to root out - some of whom are on his investigating team - Cockburn himself traces Geordie Peacock and orders Salway to question him. Commander Harold Chapple tips off Benny Barratt: "It's time for Geordie to take his holiday." And so Geordie ends up packed off to the seaside to lie low. He meets Daphne and her daughter Frances, and he seems to cheer up and lose some of his post-Jules nihilism.

Johnson confronts Bramire over the obstruction he has faced, the leaks to the press and the failure of resources promised to the inquiry. Bramire relieves Cockburn of his responsibilities on the investigation on the spurious grounds that he is suffering from a nervous breakdown, and appoints Salway as his successor. Cockburn is made Chapple's assistant. The investigation staggers to an end, and the report sent to the Home Secretary, Claud Seabrook.

At the same time Bramire closes down DI Conrad's investigation into the Donohue/Johnson corruption ring, which has led him to the involvement of Claud Seabrook. Then Salway neutralises the possible threat Conrad poses to the West End Central/Chapple corruption ring by formally interviewing him on the issue of police corruption, forcing Conrad into a position of going on the record with a denial that he has any knowledge of corruption in the police force. This is despite Conrad knowing full well that there is a corrupt element in WEC, because he himself witnessed his senior officer in the Dirty Squad, Salway, sharing out bribe money, and his own, enforced acceptance of money himself.

Bramire meets with Seabrook to discuss Johnson's report. Seabrook wishes to make big changes based on the recommendations of Johnson, who identified significant corruption within the Met even though the corrupt officers within the investigation prevented the full story of the WEC/Chapple ring from coming out. Bramire then discreetly uses the leverage Conrad's Donahue/Edwards investigation affords him to steer Seabrook away from anything too radical.

The panic over, Salway contacts Benny to let him know the coast is clear. Benny asks Salway to do him "one small favour". Geordie, who has grown very close to Daphne and Frances, and even proposed to Daphne, is called back to London by Benny. Benny specifically tells him to come back the very next day.

During Claud Seabrook's speech, we see various images edited together in montage. Geordie enters his old room in Soho. Benny Barratt meets up with John Salway in Soho - perhaps the first time it has been safe for them to meet in person since the day they discovered Geordie was a liability - and we see porn being loaded into a car. We may reasonably infer that this is the first load of porn impounded by the Dirty Squad from Benny's rivals which the WEC/Chapple ring has been able to safely deliver to Benny for resale since the investigation started. Both Benny and Salway seem very cheerful.

We then see Geordie in his room, unpacking his bags. He opens a drawer to put his clothes in it, but it is full of porn. He looks confused, agitated, and goes over to his wardrobe. On opening the doors, even more porn falls out. Instantly realising he's been set up, he grabs a bag and runs out of his room, only to be blocked by Salway and two other policemen in the hallway. They have a search warrant, and arrest Geordie.

This is the last we see of him until the beginning of the...

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1974 episode:

Geordie returns to his old flat, mirroring his return to it from the seaside the previous episode. It has been redecorated, and tidied, and someone has put fresh flowers in it for his arrival. He tentatively checks the drawers and wardrobe, but this time there are only clothes - possibly new clothes bought for him. He has a bath, then dresses in a velvet suit from the wardrobe, and visits Benny. They embrace like good friends, then Geordie pulls a pistol from him waistband and shoots Benny. We then realise this is a fantasy, and see Geordie lying on his prison bed, daydreaming. He is about to be released.

When he does actually return to his old flat, his key does not work. The new tenant is one of Benny's showgirls, Lucille, who remembers Geordie fondly, and invites him to stay until he sorts himself out. We soon realise Geordie is a broken man, and one wracked with bitterness. He smashes a framed photograph of Benny with Lucille and two other women, then smashes a bottle and proceeds to stab the picture of Benny with it.

At this time the new Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Michael Jellicoe, has been vigorously pursuing an aggressive policy against the Soho porn barons, and Benny has decamped to Spain, which does not at this time have an extradition treaty with Britain. Chapple visits him to let him know that "it's over". Back in Britain, Chapple retires, knowing that Jellicoe is on his tail. With his protector out of the force, Salway realises he is vulnerable.

We see Geordie leaving a cheap hotel. He scours the streets of Soho for Benny, whom he has learned has come back to Britain. However, the Jellicoe police are also looking for Benny, and arrest him just before Geordie is able to to shoot him. Geordie breaks down.

With Benny in custody and his copious tape recordings and photographs of his dealings with the WEC/Chapple corruption ring at their disposal, Jellicoe's anti-corruption investigators are able to make cases against several crooked cops. Salway and Chapple are arrested, as well as Conrad and five others.

The episode ends with Geordie - who looks dazed, wide-eyed, and seems confused - gatecrashing Eddie Wells' election victory party, and reuniting with Nicky, Mary and Tosker for the first time since 1964.

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1979 episode:

Geordie is living in the Willow Lane flats back in Newcastle, and is involved with drug dealers. Nicky is his next door neighbour. He goes out to discos with Tosker.

Concerned by Geordie's state, Nicky talks with him about his time in London. Nicky reads to him from a new book about the Soho corruption scandal which mentions him: "Johnson was now close to lifting the lid on the Soho rackets. But when Cockburn announced his intention to question George Peacock it literally dealt a death blow to the whole inquiry. Within 24 hours he had replaced as inquiry leader by none other than John Salway, head of the Dirty Squad... "It also dealt a severe blow to George Peacock, a notoriously heavy drinker who had become to talkative for his own good." Geordie acknowledges this, saying "Well, yeah, that was about it. They knew I'd probably talk - I didn't really give a *beep* by then - so they stitched us up to get us out the way." Nicky thinks that it was strange that they fitted him up after the investigation had finished rather than earlier; Geordie tells him it was because he had had the affair with Jules. Geordie toasts to Jules - "wherever you are" - and makes to leave Nicky, but Nicky, realising how much Geordie feels for this woman, calls him back and reads out a postscript from the book, which explains how Jules (who had been a major witness in the trials of the corrupt cops and against Benny himself) had died after a fall from a balcony. The coroner recorded an open verdict. Geordie seems broken, and stays with Nicky to talk and drink. He gives his 'blizzard' speech.

Later Geordie travels to London to meet with Benny, who has been released from prison. He seems determined to find out whether Benny had anything to do with Jules' death. Unlike 1974, this time Geordie does not seem intent on killing Benny - we know his gun is back in Newcastle, because Anthony (Mary and Tosker's son) has discovered it in Geordie's flat. He simply seems to want to know the truth. Benny insists "nobody killed her". Geordie leaves.

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So, in summary (sorry, I went on a bit there!)...

It seems possible that either Benny, or Salway, or one of either's underlings, were the actual agent who placed the compromising material in Geordie's flat. The flat is, after all, owned by Benny, and Salway's Dirty Squad does operate across Soho, and we do know that the corrupt cops have been involved with all manner of active crime (such as burglary) as well as passive crime (such as accepting bribes).

Salway has a search warrant ready knowing that the porn has been stashed there without Geordie's knowledge. Salway also knows when Geordie will be coming back (Benny told Geordie when to come back, and also, we may assume, he relayed this to Salway, whom he has met in Soho sometime between speaking with Geordie on the phone the previous night and Geordie arriving back in London).

This set-up was Benny's request - "the little favour"; and I see no reason not to agree with Geordie's 1979 assertion that, four year gap (between Benny confronting Geordie over Jules and Geordie being arrested) or not, this was (in part) Benny's revenge for the affair. However, I think that given Benny's proven misogyny, it was more to do with tying up the loose ends following a narrow escape at the hands of Roy Johnson.

Setting up Geordie in the four years before the 'Times' report precipitated the Cockburn investigation and then the Johnson report would have made no sense; Geordie was a trusted lieutenant of Benny, and his bagman paying off the WEC/Chapple gang.

No, it is the very fact that Geordie essentially caused the whole mess which leads Benny to stitch him up. Geordie was drinking too much and not being discreet enough. He had let slip to another - possibly freelance - corrupt cop, DS Croxley, enough details of the WEC/Chapple-Barratt deal that Croxley was able to flesh out his pitch to Fisch. At this point, clearly the Barratt/Chapple conspiracy could not afford to let Geordie fall into the hands of clean cops, hence his disappearing act. But nine months later, once Johnson's report had been neutralised by Bramire essentially blackmailing Seabrook with Conrad's Donohue/Edwards line of inquiry, then the chapter was closed. Enough minnows had been caught that the big fish felt safe. Johnson had been packed off back to the provinces, Cockburn had been reassigned, Conrad had been shut down. The corrupt cops at WEC were now in a position to be able to reaffirm their relationship with Benny Barratt, knowing that the investigation they had initially obstructed and ultimately themselves run, had drawn only dead ends as regards their own corruption. And hence whilst during the Johnson months keeping Geordie out of the picture was a priority, now Johnson was off, putting Geordie very definitely in the frame - for causing all the problems in the first place - was the new priority.

Of course, it still boils down to Jules this way too - Geordie's descent into drinking, his cynicism, his loose talk: all came only after Benny set him up (in a smaller, but no less cruel way) in 1970. Note than in both 1970 and 1974 that Benny chooses John Salway as Geordie's persecuter-in-chief.

Anyhow, this is my take on it, apologies for length.

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I don't mean to be rude but I can't be bothered reading all of that.

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You are, of course, entirely welcome :-)

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well, i just thought benny was a bit of a bastard. When he was telling Geordie he'd 'never forget what you done', he'd just taken a crowbar to his previous best mate who he had pulled up from the gutter. I think it was benny's thing- get someone from nowhere, make them powerful for a while, but send them away before they become too powerful (i.e. powerful enough to get name-checked in the investigation, and shag his mistress). When geordie sees benny again, he's got another stooge by his side. Geordie was wronged by a bastard, and that's why he couldn't handle it and was (perhaps) willing to shoot him.

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Yeah, that was something that jarred a little with me but I agree with your explanation bris krs - thanks for typing all that out in detail as it must have taken an age.

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Awesome posts, BristleKRS. I'd only add that I thought the pivotal scene in turning Benny against Geordie was the one in Geordie's flat where he was openly dismissive towards Salway while Benny was there ... "you don't tell me what to do" etc. This might have been the moment when Benny felt Geordie was losing his deference and becoming too much of an unpredictable loose cannon who had to be silenced for the safety of the whole operation.

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Great posts, BristleKRS!

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