I really liked Muppets Tonight!
to the person who started this thread, it is weird that you say it had almost all of the "original" characters and 'some" new ones. you may have meant main characters, but in my opinion it seems like this show had too many new characters and too much screen time for them over the old ones. i liked most of the new characters, but if the other muppets do a new show, most of the new ones should start out being less major as lew Zeland or the newsman until the second or third season, and let the more well known characters (and older fan favorites) get more screen time first.
Fozzie only appeared every once in a while, and only appeared backstage once. Miss Piggy appeared alot in the first season but appeared less after that. scooter didn't appear at all. Rowlf only appeared in one episode (although he did have a line). as the slightly lesser known characters, sam the eagle normally only appeared in his own segment, The eagles nest, robin and dr. teeth didn't appear at all, sweetums only appeared in one episode, and really minor characters like lew zeland, beauregard and dr. strangepork only made cameo appearances.
There are also many characters who only appeared in the background. Some only appeared (as far as i can remember) t the beginning of the first episode. these characters include the swedish chef, janice and crazy harry.
The electric mayhem was also pointlessly replaced with a different band. dr. teeth and lips (the trumpet player from the muppet show's fifth season and the great muppet caper) didn't even appear on the show. now, you can say that this is because of the death of Jim henson (who performed dr. teeth) and richard hunt (who performed janice) at a time when the jim henson company was worried about recasting many of their characters, and because frank oz was not always there to perform animal (even if that was the case, animal was the only member to have lines on the show), and because zoot and lips didn't speak much. However, the newer band didn't really do much anyway. the muppets tonight band was only there to perform music. they played in the background, and the band members rarely spoke. i don't think this band even had an official name. as far as i know, only one member (jowls, the purple guy who whistled in the shows opening) was mentioned by name. If a muppet show is going to have a band that only plays background music, then just reuse the electric mayhem, and don't create and build new musicians.
Unlike the electric mayhem, the muppets tonight band never interracted with the other characters. On the muppet show and in the muppet movies, the band regularly interracted with characters outside of the band. Janice had a regular role in veterinarians hospital, floyd seemed to interract with other characters the most (and jerry nelson was still active at the time of muppets tonigh, and didn't have any major characters on this show, so floyd could have interracted with the cast), animal was and is still one of the top 7 most famous muppets, and most of the electric mayhem danced in at the dance.
You're right, I meant more of the main characters. I guess I just recalled seeing all original Muppets at least once on Muppets Tonight and was a bit eager with my assessment.
As far as Scooter, I believe I read somewhere that the guy who did the voice passed away, and they chose not to continue with the Scooter character as a sort of tribute.
Overall, my point was that both the original show and Muppets Tonight made for some great TV and that the quality of shows nowadays is deplorable. These two shows are not in syndication, and Muppets Tonight is not out on DVD, but I can get a boxed set of "Who Wants to Marry My Plumber?" from the video store. It's such a shame.
I bought the Muppet show thinking I would remember it.
But even the guest are not from my era, though I'm not that young.
I'm more looking forward to the muppets tonight. The only show that I remember is the John Goodman show. It's not that long ago, maybe my age...
my growing DVD collection
Oh yeah, I remember the John Goodman episode too. I remember one sketch where he and about five rats are in a bunker during a war... John gets delivered some bads news...
Rats: Yes sir?!
John: No, I mean, SHOOT!
Rats fire their guns
John: No, I mean, DARN IT!
Rowlf, Swedish Chef, Dr Teeth and Scooter all don't talk as a sign of respect for the original puppeteers who have passed away.
This is echoed in the newer Muppet films where (although Swedish Chef has longer cameos), Rowlf and Dr Teeth have, I believe only spoken 1 word each in the last 3 or so films. Dr Teeth's being a simple (and taken from an episode of Muppet Show) "Shalom" as he walks by the table during Muppets from Space.
However, I'd love to see this show lifted from it's grave and put back onto TV, any slot would work fine really, it's suitable for kids as they wouldn't get many of the darker comments (I know I didn't as a kid, and I wasn't that naive!), or it'd work great as a Sunday night program to break up the endless ones aimed at the elderly (well on BBC1 at least!).
Obviously.. new episodes would be preferable over repeats!