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This Friday on 'Dark Skies' ep 6: 'Dreamland'


AIRED: 11/2/96

In Las Vegas, Loengard and Sayers look into a scheme to use casino winnings to finance a Hive operation. They are brought in to meet with the eccentric casino owner, Howard Hughes.

STARRING

Eric Close ... John Loengard
Megan Ward ... Kimberly Sayers
Joey Aresco ... Jack Gettings
Jack Conley ... Rawlings
Tim Kelleher ... Jim Steele
Tyler Layton ... Susan Swenson
Madison Mason ... Howard Hughes
Louan Gideon ... Tammy, Hive Gambler
Andrew Hawkes ... George Dover
Scott Jaeck ... Cochran
Gary Carter ... Cashier
Paul Clayton ... Lieutenant
Mark McPherson ... Doorman

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I'm teetering boys, I'm teetering. I am growing more wearysome of this show by the episode. The naration portion sounds like the Wonder Years on valium and bourbon.

The premise of using Kim at the poker table was just silly, surely someone would be smart enough to think the hive might be able to tell she wasn't communicating back to them in a way they understand.

Howard Hughs not knowing the word telepathy? Please, Howard ended up being a bit of a cook but the man was clearly brilliant and ahead of his time, he would have understood telepathy.

On the bright side, have we seen the last of Steele? Hope so.
Other positive signs, at least they are addressing the money and job thing even though it's in passing.

The one piece of information for this episode was the hive have a natural predator. Was this whole thing set up just to dissiminate that little nugget? or is there a more involved element to the area 51 angle, somehow I doubt it.

All in all brutal TV I give this one 3 gangleon eating leaches.


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I'm definitely not as unhappy as you, but for sure not as happy as I thought I'd be, and I'm not so eager to watch this week's episode. Somehow our memories betray us, and maybe we facing in some degree the Night Gallery syndrome. From now on I'll try and be more careful about old shows in general and shows I barely remember.

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Don't get me wrong, it's not the best show I have seen but trust me when I say, it's no where near as bad as night gallery. As of right now, i still like watching this more than the cartoon bob show as well. it can still get better but at this point I have my doubts. We will trudge forward through the trenches and reach the end. they can't all be gold and as we have pointed out in this group numerous times, there is a reason these shows only lasted one season.

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For "Night Gallery syndrome" I meant, we remember a show to be good or very good, and turns out to be much worse, not that it's as terrible as you all said Night Gallery was. As I said, I'm enjoying the show quite more than you are.

And having only seen 6 episodes out of 20 you have no real elements to say "We will trudge forward through the trenches and reach the end." You were right in the part you said it can get better, even if you have doubts. I do think it gets better too as far as I can remember, and I also have doubts. Let's wait and see.

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having only seen 6 episodes out of 20 you have no real elements to say "We will trudge forward through the trenches and reach the end."

Oh contrare Monfrare, I have plenty of elements to base MY opinion on. I have 6 episodes that i have watched start to finish. I have 1/2 of those that I have fallen asleep in and had to go back and watch again. I have slow developeing stories and horrible antaginists. I have barely likeable heroes. I have seen 30 percent of this series, certainly a good sample size. If you ate 30 percent of your dinner, surely you would have a decent opinion of what that meal was going to taste like. correct?


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If you ate 30 percent of your dinner, surely you would have a decent opinion of what that meal was going to taste like. correct?

Not if the dessert turns out to be fantastic. Anyway it seems you made up your mind the moment you saw the menu.

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Anyway it seems you made up your mind the moment you saw the menu.

Now that's just unfair. Shame on you. I have made every effort to watch this show objectively. As I did when we went with pushing Daisies. I had no desire to watch that show but it turned out to be good. No my friend my mind wasn't made up before i watched it. and As far as desert goes, what will the desert be for this show? some sort of awesome ending? perhaps an amazing twist?
or maybe it will just all be a dream. I fear the show is as good now as it is going to get. You once again have the advantage over me by having seen this show before. it's the first time for me so maybe you know something is coming I have no idea about. perhaps I will view ahead and get some idea of how it is going to go as we move forward and be better prepared for a more palatable opinion.

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Now that's just unfair. Shame on you.

OK, I'll consider begin ashamed if in the end Dark Skies turns out to be as bad as you're saying it is. But I'll wait to judge.

I have made every effort to watch this show objectively. As I did when we went with pushing Daisies. I had no desire to watch that show but it turned out to be good. No my friend my mind wasn't made up before i watched it.

Point taken regarding "Daisies," tough I don't think you hated the idea of watching that one so much. I mean, your reaction when Dark Skies was picked was "ugh" (or was it "yuck?) I state that there's hardly ever coming back from "ugh." Best case scenario it can get to a "meh," never a "yay!"

I fear the show is as good now as it is going to get. You once again have the advantage over me by having seen this show before. it's the first time for me so maybe you know something is coming I have no idea about.

Rest assured I only used the dessert analogy because I only have a vague recollection of the show. A lingering impression it becomes exciting, or at least I felt that way back in late 90s. But I don't remember anything objective that would confirm that. Maybe I was just impressionable. So, don't worry, there are no spoilers involved.

The way I see, even if "Dark Skies" is not, (or hasn't been so far) what I had initially expected, I still think it's way better than "Tales of the Gold Monkey." And I commend you for being braver than I was and sticking to it, even though I didn't.

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I can accept that. and as you pointed out I watch all that we pick. But much like you would have done during the initial run of tales of the gold monkey, I would have never made 20 episodes of this show. But I will now.

Some stuff you may not have known. I was not thrilled when we picked FireFly. I thought Space western, no way i'll like that, but as it turned out it was an awesome show and one I still visit from time to time today. The same holds true for the lone gunmen. I thought yuk, xfiles spinoff of lesser charachters, but as it turned out, I liked that show a lot though I understood why it was a one season show. One season shows are always a roll of the dice and it's always nicer when no one in the group has seen them but that's rare. Daybreak was a very pleasant surprise and I enjoyed that show a lot as well. I hope something changes here as well and I go, sure am glad I watched the rest of these.

I never got to say that about Bob, Night gallery, I was glad when voyagers and Monkey were over and Odessy 5 just left me with tons of questions I wish I could have gotten answered. Hmmm i've seem to have lost my train of thought...lol so I will leave it at that.

MadP we have spirited conversations and you always make points that make me think. I am glad you joined this group even though I detest thinking.
Live Long and Prosper MadP.

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I can't add much to this thread so far other than to tell you that we all dodged a bullet by not going with Darkroom a couple of turns back. I mentioned this before, but on another trip to Kansas City this past week I finished watching the rest of the series on the plane. It didn't get better. My memory really failed on that one. I think Night Gallery might have been better. Seriously.

The dinner analogy is useful. When we go out to eat, my wife has a favorite meal at each restaurant and tends to order the same thing all the time, so "I don't feel like Picano's tonight" really means "I don't feel like ravioli tonight". Now, I love ravioli, but I almost always order something different each time. She points out that, once in a while, I get a meal that's awful, and that's true. But for every clinker, I've gotten ten others that were terrific. She doesn't have to deal with the awful ones, but she also misses out on the great ones. Her choice. And it's the same thing here. When we hit one that's awful (and so far, I'd say Dark Skies is middle of the road), that's the price for hitting on shows like Day Break and Journeyman. I would rate our last four (the above three, plus God, the Devil and Bob) as two excellent, one fair, one lousy. Not a bad average. In the meantime, my wife watches reruns of Everybody Loves Raymond over and over and.... (Ravioli anyone?)

Back on topic, I have not had a chance to watch this week's installment, but will get to it tonight. After last week in KC, returning late Friday night, I'll be home for a few days, then on Thursday, it's off to West Virginia for my son's wedding next Saturday. I get back very late on Sunday and expect to fly to KC the next day, for the rest of the week. I may not post at all for the next episode, but I'll be back the following week.

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DT congratulations on your upcoming Sons wedding have a safe trip. Dark Skies will wait the show not great but God knows we watched worse.

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I was not thrilled when we picked FireFly. I thought Space western, no way i'll like that, but as it turned out it was an awesome show and one I still visit from time to time today.

I'm glad we watched that, but the space western aspect still bothers me. I think the movie was quite an improvement in that area though. I loved Day Break, but I already had good expectations about it. So far shows have only really surprised me negatively.

MadP we have spirited conversations and you always make points that make me think. I am glad you joined this group even though I detest thinking.
Live Long and Prosper MadP.

Hey, thanks! But nothing would be possible without you guys who started the whole thing. Live long, prosper and let the Force be with you!

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This Friday on “Dark Skies” ep 6: “Dreamland'

I kept thinking this would be the one with the title Dreamland I thought for sure this episode would star the legend Art Bell. Since his base of operation is in Pahrump Nevada at the foothills of Area 51. Yes I was a little disappointed with this episode but I’ve come to expect a little disappointment but the unexpected appearance of another hero of mine Howard Hughes saved the day. What an odd duck he was. Were they building an earth base hive I always assumed with a spaceship you could keep you base off planet somewhere or on the dark side of the moon. One hell of a hole they were digging in the desert moving a lot of dirt. But they were cleaning out Howard casino it take money to dig a hole. Steele you can’t keep a good man down what’s the chance the truck might have done him in. No way he will be back next week just like a bad penny it will turn up again. Like the comment about the transistor radio I clearly remember them advertising on the pocket radio the number of transistor they had inside them. Boy I wish I still had a few of those pocket radios but all of mine hit the trash many years ago. I’m going to petition the White House to put John back on the MJ12 payroll he still doing their dirty work and going broke doing so. Howard you could have let them keep the Mustang. You got the money.

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Late for the parade... Oh, well, here it goes. I just think it's very hard to be objective at this point. My initial expectations with the show were great, then I saw the pilot and I had problems readjusting to a product of the 1990s (several small technical details, for instance), and the fact that I remembered many key incidents killed the suspense. But once I got passed that I started enjoying the show again.

But as I read the summary for this one, I didn't feel much like watching it. Really, the whole Las Vegas scenario may be a part of the American "imaginarium" (OK, now I'm looking for a word that doesn't seem to exist in English, which we have as imaginário, which encompasses imagination and folk culture, and a bunch of other stuff), but Vegas doesn't really do it for me. And then after my discussion with charmed, I felt even less like watching it.

But then it turned out to be much better than I had anticipated, considering my expectation were so low at the time. It was entertaining and fun, and I'm still hooked by the whole alien conspiracy/rewritten history thing.

I agree that putting Kim at the hive table was not the brightest idea. I don't understand how John went along with it. From Kim I'd expect anything, really. With all that beauty, who needs brains after all (except for the part that aliens find so tasty)? But John ought to have known better. But the idea was from Howard Hughes, and what did he know? He didn't know, and most of all he didn't care what happened to her. And obviously it didn't work, since Steele was right there waiting for her in the car.

By the way, what's charmed's problem with Steele? He's creepily fun, and it's always nice to see him getting hit by a truck.

I agree with wlcebtg, Howard Hughes really made a difference in the story. I loved the character.

OK, a couple things:

- Wanna job? Talk to Mr. Gettings. He *gets* people to work here. Get it? Then you talk to Mr. Hirings.
- As the car was approaching the quarry, I kept thinking, "Decisions, decisions..."
- Howard Hughes gives John simply the flashiest car they had to discreetly follow the hive members. Way to go, good guys!
- The waitress who kept blabbering about the traumatic experience she had, I so wanted her to shut up! I wish she had been implanted just to shut up and get a better attitude. Her negativity was dragging me down.
- I was expecting John to keep the flashy convertible. At least that would give them an excuse to put the money problem aside for a few episodes, but as the waitress said, nothing comes for free.
- Instead of dumping all the jar of predators on the implanted man, Kim could have tried to keep a few for herself. The predators could've been used either to prove alien existence (exposing them) or to study the aliens' vulnerabilities (which would perhaps require working with MJ-12 help, but them what else is new?). But it's hard to think of that when you're scared and running for your life.

We've learned a few interesting things that moved the story forward:

- Hive implanted people can show all sorts of emotions. They pretend to be happy, excited, unlike the cliched pod people who usually behave robotically. This makes it hard to spot them.
- With some implanted people the control is not complete, and it needs to be strengthened by some sort of reimplantation.
- Ganglia, when in their natural state outside a host, have a natural predator. That can be used to kill the ganglion or its vestiges inside a host. Unfortunately for the predator they don't seem to have the same ability to posses other beings, so they'll need humans to reach the ganglia in a host. We don't know how intelligent they are.
- Hive people can communicate telepathically.
- Kim can hear a buzzing sound from that telepathic communication.
- What Kim has is called "latent tendrils" and the ganglion doesn't grow back from them.
- Of course Howard Hughes knew the word "telepathy", charmed. He learned it from John Loengard, of course! That's the whole point of the show. Everything weird that happened or is supposed to have happened in the 1960s is due to aliens, MJ-12, or John Loengard.
- Howard Hughes was already a little crazy and paranoid, but he only got interested in aliens and paranormal things in general because of what? Aliens and John Loengard, of course! And the "ganglion on the face" incident was decisive to drive him even further towards Crazytown. Until then he was only paranoid about germs and communists.
- Something is cooking in Area 51 that the aliens want to get to. This means maybe the government, MJ-12, or other some secret organization is doing something alien-related, and the aliens possibly want to stop it. Possible allies for John and Kim, or just trouble-makers they'll have to deal with in the future.
- Aliens need money for the operations. Expect them to see involved in other shady money-grabbing scheme.

Honestly I'd say considering the information above, we learned A LOT in this deceptively simple episode.

Considering that, even if this wasn't one of its stellar episodes, the show kept my hopes high for the next installment. I give this one an 8-transistor radio transmitter.

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Last week's was a bit of a letdown; this was a big step down. Mostly a muddled mess. The guy at the beginning comes and goes and we don't actually find out anything about him. Was he already implanted? Then what's with the transfer in the hallway? And why was he reluctant to turn over the cash? And if not, then how did he know the guy who showed up for the cash--he sure seemed to be expecting him.

Once a casino is satisfied that you're cheating they get rid of you, even if they can't prove it to the point of having you arrested. They don't just wring their hands and shovel cash into yours. That's as absurd as having Kim get in the game with the hive, which the rest of you have covered nicely.

Howard Hughes was not interesting here, just a run of the mill paranoid. Not the kind of guy who could have achieved what Hughes really did. Not believable.

Give them a one-of-a-kind car to discreetly follow the bad guys, yes, that's beyond silly. And let's make it red so it really stands out. (Nice car, though!)

The truck driver was heading for the cliff face at full speed, so I'll just do the same and see what happens. I kept thinking, "Hey, John! Don't forget to push the secret button that opens the door before..." SPLAT!!

I'm afraid my concern about Steele was probably right--it's gonna be "catch and release". When will they learn. I'd bet the rent we have not seen the last of him. A while back, I found a list online of things to remember if you ever become an evil warlord. Some of them apply to everyone. One very important one is, "No matter what happened to him, never, ever leave your arch-enemy for dead until you have pumped at least six rounds into his skull at point-blank range."

Hoping for better things next week.

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Once a casino is satisfied that you're cheating they get rid of you, even if they can't prove it to the point of having you arrested.

I know that's right, they wouldn't even bother having you arrested in the 60's. They would just drag you into the alley or worse desert and beat the wholly hell out you with a bat.

Howard Hughes was not interesting here, just a run of the mill paranoid. Not the kind of guy who could have achieved what Hughes really did. Not believable.

Couldn't agree with you more

Give them a one-of-a-kind car to discreetly follow the bad guys, yes, that's beyond silly. And let's make it red so it really stands out.

I'm glad you touched on this as I too thought it was a strange choice in car for an undercover mission and actually there are some small similarities in this show and TT. especially when it comes to following people or in TT's case hiding behind bushes from Japanese consolits.






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by - dtmuller on Tue Apr 9 2013 08:59:5
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The guy at the beginning comes and goes and we don't actually find out anything about him. Was he already implanted? Then what's with the transfer in the hallway? And why was he reluctant to turn over the cash? And if not, then how did he know the guy who showed up for the cash--he sure seemed to be expecting him.

The guy who showed up for the cash said to the guy at the beginning: "George Dover needs strengthening. We need him to reach Dreamland." To me that means that the first guy was George Dover, and since the second guy was talking directly to him in the third person, it means Dover was already implanted. But he was resisting, and the control was not complete, so he needed "strengthening." Which means he was sort of re-implanted or something. That all made sense to me. But he never showed up again because individually he was not important, as he was just another of the hive winners. None of them matter individually. After all, it's a hive we're talking about.

Once a casino is satisfied that you're cheating they get rid of you, even if they can't prove it to the point of having you arrested. They don't just wring their hands and shovel cash into yours.

Hughes seemed to be more interested in finding out what these commies were up to than save a few thousand dollars he could spare. If he got rid of the gamblers, Moscow would just send more elsewhere. In the end Hughes would lose it all anyway because, you know, WORLD DOMINATION!!!

Howard Hughes was not interesting here, just a run of the mill paranoid. Not the kind of guy who could have achieved what Hughes really did. Not believable.

Oh, I so disagree. his portrayal might not have been *realistic*, but to me he certainly was interesting. Like an eccentric genius millionaire. And he was funny as hell.

Oh, well, I don't know much about Howard Hughes, and honestly I don't really care maybe because I'm not an American. And there is the real-life Hughes and the fictional character that pops out every now and then in movies and TV shows. In two examples I remember of him, he was a heroic type, like in DiCaprio's "The Aviator" and Terry O'Quinn's character in "The Rocketeer." (And come one, who doesn't love John Locke?) But in other shows I've seen him an old man with a long beard, very long nails and babbling nonsense. Honestly based on what I've seen in fiction, I don't have a clue what Howard Hughes was really like. Not that I care.

The truck driver was heading for the cliff face at full speed, so I'll just do the same and see what happens. I kept thinking, "Hey, John! Don't forget to push the secret button that opens the door before..." SPLAT!!

LOL!!! Then after that, I imagine Loengard staggering out of the truck wreck saying, "Ok, that obviously didn't work. Next we can try..." And then passing out.

I'm afraid my concern about Steele was probably right--it's gonna be "catch and release". When will they learn. I'd bet the rent we have not seen the last of him.

Honestly I hope not! Team Steele!



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Bravo MadP, I can honestly say, I enjoyed your review of the episode better than the episode. I will give your review 8 telepathic buzes. The part you wrote about hughs had me chuckling out loud. Nice job.

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by - charmedwon666 on Tue Apr 9 2013 16:28:28
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Bravo MadP, I can honestly say, I enjoyed your review of the episode better than the episode. I will give your review 8 telepathic buzes. The part you wrote about hughs had me chuckling out loud. Nice job.

Wow, thanks! We live to please. Oh, well, it's not my fault I'm the only one who actually *understood* the episode... (Har, har, har!)

No, seriously, for some reason in this case I just feel like taking the "half-full" approach to things.

I think what makes us like or dislike a show is more than just making a checklist good ideas and inconsistencies. If we're OK with the whole thing, we disregard the bad parts and enjoy the rest. If the show doesn't catch us emotionally, all we see are problems. Nobody is actually wrong there.

But of course if I were to write a story and somebody would point out to me, "how come you had the detective follow the suspects in the flashiest car he could find?" I'd bump my head against the wall for my stupidity.

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I had actually enjoyed this show having given up on it after watching the horrible "Dark Days Night" episode.

I was glad they were moving the story forward somewhat and revealed that Howard Hughes was involved in the whole UFO conspiracy theory. I'm inclined to believe that he probably really was or at least read up on the subject.

My main issue with DARK SKIES so far has been how little they reveal episode to episode and it's probably what tanked it on it's original airing.



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