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Is Reverend DeBoer gay? In love with Camille? Or just plain weired?


Hi everyone,
I just saw the movie today and have noticed Reverend DeBoer's rather strange relationship with Camille. My thoughts are that Reverend DeBoer is either gay, or is in love with Camille (or lust after her).

Why do I suggest him being gay? Well if you watch the meeting scene where they discuss homosexuality, when Camille suggests 'God cannot be so cruel as to decree that people like that can never ever be contended', Reverend looks like he almost smiled. And later in the movie when Camille confesses her feelings for Petra to him (which is such a strange thing to do considering his disposition as a Christian AND her boss so to speak), he assures her 'you've got nothing to fear for me Camille', and even admits that the society has been too harsh on gay people, which is a complete opposite to what he says during the council meeting. It seems like, through consoling Camille, he's really releasing himself from the burden of a long hidden secret, that he's finally found someone alike himself in the strict institude.

Either that, or Reverend DeBoer is actually in love with Camille. First of all, at the very beginning of the film, when Camille and Martin are exchanging banters in the empty classroom, Reverend first peeps at the door with a very evil expression, and when Camille and Martin nearly kissed, he blatantly interupts them. Later in his office with Camille and Martin, he basically says to Martin that if he wants to advance in his career, he 'could not be suspected to be indulging in the physical pleasures of marriage without actually being married'. Here Reverend DeBoer is either pushing Martin to propose, or trying to break up the couple. And finally, when Camille's in his office talking about her new found desire for Petra, you can hear his heavy breathing (perhaps finding the idea titilating), and when he says 'what I really want to do now is to pray', my interpretation of 'pray' here is an euphemism for something sexual, because he sounds too desperate when he holds out his hands and swallows and says 'please'. Besides, Camille has that insulted/surprised/disgusted/shocked expression on her face when she's leaving his office.

I don't know if I'm looking too much into this character, but even by first watch I found him to be more complex than what meets the eye. What do you guys think? All opinions are welcome.

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the reverend isn't gay or in love with Camille, and isn't just being weird. i think that he favored Camille as a teacher and about the whole smile at the meeting, i think he was just being passive aggressive with Camille's remark about gay people. i don't know if you saw this but after Camille tells the Reverend about her feelings for Camille, he asks her to pray with him. i think that he didn't want to lose her to something that he didn't argee with. but i don't think he was gay or in love with her. hope that helps you out.

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Hi piper!

Just had to drop by and tell you that I really like your interpretation(s). It’s clever and gives a lot of food for thoughts. Every interpretation that enhances and be riches a film is far better than one that belittles and diminishes it. I never thought of these aspects of DeBoer’s persona before, but now I certainly will. Without actually watching these scenes again, but going by memory and simple gut feelings, I think you are right. Now I think that his persona is much more complicated than just being the chaplain and “boss”.

Of course I own this movie, but right now I simply don’t have the time to put it into the player and watch it again.

I also like your “fate”-interpretation of the dog, or rather the “dog” (=the concept), very much. I still see it as resurrection, but with your interpretation superimposed on my own it’s now even more amazing. Rozema is such a marvelous poet and filmmaker.

I’ve printed your posts (never trust a computer), and I hope that I can find time to get back to you. You are making a wonderful film even more wonderful!

All the best

Cine

Why is it that men are so much more interested in women than women in men?
Virginia Woolf.

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Hi Cine,

Wow, didn't expect such a formal response, thanks for the compliments and I'm looking forward to your interpretations. :)

I think one of the reason this film is so great is that, I guess a lot of viewers can identify with Camille and the sense of inertia in her life. I watched it again today and by the end of the film I feel much happier, knowing that all good things does NOT just go eventually, that life can be exciting if you choose it to be.

After all, 'night is falling', we better take a leap of faith while we can, and enjoy life on its full capacity, the way Camille did.

Cheers,
Piper

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I don't think the reverand was of much help to Camille's damaged soul, she needed help and to see the sin of her ways. So sad everytime I watch this movie it reminds me how meny people sin and don't realize how serious sinning is, that they will go to hell. I really wish Camille could have been strong for both her and Pietra and tryed to find good Christin fellowship to help them through. But they didn't instead they sinned. And now there both going straight to hell.

Jesus Saves, look to him for help look to him for a helping hand.

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Petra and Camille will go to hell for loving each other?
Save me a seat, Satan, I'm going along!

This from a straight, liberal, law-abiding, non-homophobic-male.

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Reverend DeBoer pretty much interuppted Camille making out with Petra. Camille did some quick thinking to cover up the fact why Petra was there. If he had not rung the doorbell. Petra would have unbuttoned and removed her top and Camille would have had both her sweater and bra removed and they would have been doing "2nd Base" as during the next scene. Petra removes Camille's shirt and then kisses her left breast.

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I think that if someone is going to take the trouble to watch repeatedly and then to ferret out a discussion about (and then to make several posts to a message board about) a lesbian movie that is more than 10 years old ...that they possess an extreme fondness for that subject matter...that certainly describes my motives. :- |

Haven't we all encountered those Bible thumpin' maniacs preaching desperately to us pagans against various "sins"...? I believe Shakespeare coined a phrase which is apropos here.... "Methinks the lady dost protest too much".

In other words, if the subject matter does not concern you, bounce. Judgment is MINE sayeth the Lord.

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one question....do you enjoy mocking people by flaunting your religious believes in peoples faces or you just do that cuz you have nothing better to do?

and i dont want to hear anything about the christian way of life, cuz im an ex-muslim and whatever you do wont plunge me from one corrupted religion to another.

i dont believe in organzined religions anyways...they're a propoganda and you know it.

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I'M ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL

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Ha!

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I just think he's a grumpy old man..He's not in love with Camille in my opinion and also not a gay man. He is also plain weird. And as a reply to churchgirl: if you really think people in this movie are such sinners why do you keep watching it, maybe a guilty pleasure? And please don't be so uptight and narrow-minded. And if gays are sinners and go to Hell, then I'm up for it!!

Peter Griffin: You know those Germans; if you don't join the party, they come get you.

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Here's my take on whether or not the Reverend DeBoer is gay or in love with Camille or just plain weird...in a nutshell, I think he is a COMPLEX character of sorts and that he comes off as all 3 of the above and here's why I say it:
a. Rev comes to Camille's house without calling first
b. In the office scene with Camille he seemed to me to sound a bit weird. The idea of the prayer seemed genuine but the way he said it made me feel something completely different than the spirit of the request to join him in prayer
c. He seemed taken aback to find Petra at Camille's home alone with her

d. Camille did try and clean it up, but just a few seconds earlier Petra was on the move with Camille and she was making headway with her. Petra had the top undone and the hands caressing thingy and Camille was clearly interested in these advances, though she did admit to feeling a bit weird about it. Then the Rev rings her bell and has to ring twice in order to get Camille to let her in as Petra picks up the phone thingy, just as Camille lounges for it and buzzes the Rev in, as Camille hurriedly dresses and buttons Petra's top also, saying "Sorry". Then there is this hurtful excuse she gives to the Rev as to why Petra was there. Which I thought she did not owe him an explanation for her having company in her own home...but I can see why she may have felt compelled to explain it seeing he is the Rev and the way he was looking at Camille....He did leave as he tells Camille she has to see him sooner or later.So Camille informs him she will meet him next day...he leaves. She goes to check on Petra who has now gone home via the window Camille asked her to take earlier and she originally refusedand has now taken upon hearing Camille's explanation to the Rev for Petra refusal to leave...but Petra is hurt and sadly leaves her lovestoned behind and goes home alone

e.Seems the Rev came to Camille's home unannounced to see if she was home alone or there with Martin, or to make a pass at her in private, or to confess his hidden feelings of being gay, away from the office setting and he seemed a bit defensive when it comes to Camille in general as if he were the one interested in marrying her, in order to have a rouge of marriage with her. Maybe he thought he'd finally found the perfect person to have an open marriage with whereby he could have his love interest in men and she could have her love interest in women,SECRETLY of course, thereby insuring his good name in the community and with the board and with the Christian society in general, while discretely carrying on his long hidden desires. Maybe with Camille he thought he could have a bisexual marriage. Maybe his character longed for both Camille and men too. Maybe he thought he'd found the perfect match with Camille. Thus when he says "You've got nothing to fear from me Camille" that he was sublimely confessing his hidden desires of homosexuality or bisexuality to her, hoping she felt the same way. Then when, as a last resort, to me, it seemed he offered her prayer
a. As a last resort to give her one last chance to make this pact with him
b. Or he could have been genuine in his desire to save her soul
c. Or he could have had mixed feelings of both of the above.
Camille decides to follow her heart and go to Petra instead. LOVE how the dog is resurrected in the end and follows hard after his mistress Camille...though I did think, what if he goes to the house and sees she has left and then I thought , somehow he has ESP and will know instinctively and in the movie-wise make believe world sense to:FOLLOW THAT CONVOY for dear life!!!Think the dog should have gotten an award too, after all it was his sense of dying that made Camille cry and made Petra notice her...the other lady in the laundry room with them did not seem to notice Camille's sadness.yet I see story wise why she had to be part of the story so that we can see this was a public place and somewhat busy place and that these two future love birds would meet by happen chance or sorts.
I AM A nut for romantic-love stories. This one is a classic for me. It has a lot of plots and story lines left to the imagination and could go off in several directions at any moment-like the Rev character. He could easily have trailed off down the bi or homosexual, closet marriage trail. There is an entire story line to be had with Camille as wife. Then there is the Camille-Petra-Martin triangle. This story line could have branched off into tons of places and several alternative endings. DID like the love scene with Camille and Petra and the high wire acrobatic dancers-absolutely spectacular, breath-taking to watch those two ladies. Would have like to have seen more closure though-the Martin-Camille thingy and the dog's resurrection/reunion with Camille thingy. Was tearful when Camille lay down in the snow near her buried dog to die. Was so sad for me to see. Felt she was torn between two completely different worlds: Martin-Camille and Camille-Petra. Felt she'd rather die than live without Petra. She kept dreaming of all her wonderful memories of Petra as she lay dying. Was THRILLED to see Petra making a bee line to save Camille's life. Loved the way she lay with Camille to give her body heat and how she prayed and made vows to care for Camille if she had another chance to. LOVED how Camille woke up to face the love of her life-Petra. (Would loved it if Petra had been on top of Camille BREATHING her warm breath into Camille's cold lungs over and over slowly until Camille became warm again...but did LOVE the movie all in all.)
My rating of When Night is Falling A+++ out of A. Great love story, fully satisfies the love story/drama people like me.lol.Great acting on all the actors part, loved Camille and Petra and the dog, even the Rev because he took me down alternative story lines with some of his quirky acting, but this movie is clearly a keeper. Was mesmerized from start to finish of this story. GREAT job!

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Wow, there's a lot of unjustified speculation going on here.

Actually, I thought the Reverend was one of the most accessible characters in the film.

I don't think there's any reason to think that he's gay (though he could be), or that he was in love with Camille (though he was clearly fond of her).

I think that he just liked Camille, probably more than he liked Martin. On paper, Martin was probably the perfect replacement for him but I think he wanted Camille and therefore encouraged them to get the job as a couple. I got the impression that he wasn't as repressed as Martin and maybe felt that Martin was a bit stuffy and/or political.

It seemed as though he was a fairly progressive priest, more advanced than the church he was part of, and he was permissive of Martin and Camille's sexlife and Camille's views because of that. In the interview panel, he might have enjoyed Camille's more progressive answer but also wanted to bring her back to reality and encourage her to say something that would actually get her fired instead of fail the interview.

As for calling at her home...priests do that, even without invitation or notice...it's a church thing, they feel they have the right to butt into parishioners lives, that's part of what a church is about. If you're in a christian religion then you probably think this is a good thing.

And I'm positive that the "prayer" was really just prayer. That's how christian priests think, he was genuinely concerned that Camille was losing her faith (she probably never had Martin's kind of faith to begin with).

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