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Who would've won? Tyson or Ali?


Many people say that Ali would win because of how he beat George Foreman. I disagree. Foreman was pretty stupid in that fight. Instead of tapping Ali like foreman did, Tyson would've been giving him shots to the head, the ribs, everywhere. If Ali ever tried that rope-a-dope routine on Tyson or Marciano his arms would've been broke. People say that Tyson tires in the later rounds because most of his fights were short. But he did win a lot of decisions. So it's not like the fight can't go the whole 15 rounds. If Marciano could've taken Ali there's no reason why Tyson couldn't wipe the floor with him too. Tyson was so strong and so dominant in his prime that no man alive was going to beat him before Buster Douglas.

If you want to know why Douglas beat Tyson I'll tell you. Douglas had so much heart that night that there was just no way he was going to lose. Even after he got floored by that crushing uppercut he was back up. He really wanted it. First I guess to prove everyone wrong, but most of all I think he did it for his mother who had passed away.

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Chris 'The Papps' Papps.

Been draggin' my heels with a bith called hope
let the undercurrent drag me along
-AXL

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First of all Foreman didnt tap Ali. Foreman tried to knock Ali into outer space, which tired Foreman.

Second, there was a fighter that was very close to a Tyson clone, his name was Joe Frazier. If you ever wanted to know what happened with those fights Ali won two and Frazier won one. Frazier won the first, casue Ali hadnt fought anyone in over like 5 years. Hence, Ali would have beaten Tyson to, by moving around the ring and jabbing him to death, just like he did with Frazier. I see Ali frustrating Tyson all over the ring.

Ali should have, and would have won all 3. BTW Ali never faught Marciano.

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Ali, easily. Boxing is about discipline, Tyson had none. You can tell by his life outside the ring. Like another guy said. Ali/ Frazier was a similar fight. Frazier was a much tougher man than Tyson. Everytime Tyson fought someone tough he wilted. Frazier/Foreman/Lyle/Shavers all would have distroyed Tyson. Even Jimmy Little would have beaten him. Those guys during that era were tough, tough men.

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Ali would have won. No question about it. He was tough physically and mentally in the ring.

You know what a great fight would have been? Tyson VS Marvin Hagler in thier prime (that is, if Hagler gaing weight to fight as a heavyweight). I wonder who would have won that one?

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If he was in his prime and "right", I think Mike would have decisively beaten ANYONE. Don't underestimate him in his prime; he had the strong mentality and focus. And Frazier was much less skilled than Mike... I'm a boxer/trainer and a boxing writer, so I've heard all the arguments and I can go on for days. Coming soon: www.ShootaFairOne.com *********************************

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Tyson, Ali is too old

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Ali would wipe the floor with him.

now what ive always wondered about is who would win between Ali and Bruce Lee, i know they both have different styles, but in a street fight where either of them could do whatever comes naturally to them, even Bruce lee himself said that Ali was the only person he wasnt sure if he could beat.
my money would be on Bruce, he was just to damn quick and powerful!

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If Tyson was in his prime around 86 or 87, he would have won.

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It's two different eras so we'll never know. It's so easy to say who had won. But when Cus was managing Tyson to me he was untouchable. Tyson's career went downhill afterwards when Cus passed away, Tyson let Don King manage him soon after. Tyson would of been better off with Cayton managing him if he had stayed with Cayton before letting King take advantage of him soon after.

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As much as i love Ali

If thesev 2 met in the ring in the prime, The without a doubt it would have Been Tyson, He had such raw power and he was fast to go with it, i seriously doubt ali could of withstood the power of Tyson's punches, therefore if it was a round prediction i would of said Tyson in 3

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They both have decent cardio, I would say Tyson was over all fitter, Ali would dance around, it would be like a bone-crusher Smith fight, or Tucker fight, with Tyson beating Ali by decision by a tiny point advantage.
Although look how slow and short Frazier was and I recall Frazier dropping Ali.

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Foreman hit harder than Tyson so there is no reason to believe that Ali's arms would break from Tyson's power when they did not when Foreman (a bigger and stronger harder hitter than Tyson) hit him repeatedly in the arms for that many rounds. Keep in mind, Ali also fought and beat Shavers who is considered the hardest hitter in boxing history even tougher than Foreman. Ali was well past his prime when he fought Shavers and despite taking quite a few clean shots on the jaw Ali did not even get dropped. Ali dealt with power puncher probably better than or equal to the very best. Ali was never knocked out. So I don't think Ali's arms breaking makes any sense at all.

Tyson could definitely drop Ali and everyone on the planet can get KOed. The thing is that no one managed to do it to Ali; even guys who hit harder than Tyson. Tyson's real advantage comes in the combination of his power WITH speed and combinations. Foreman did not throw combos often and Shavers did not either. Neither of them threw punches as fast as Tyson. But Ali also fought fast fighters in Floyd Patterson (Cus' previously trained champ with the same style as Tyson) and schooled him. With Tyson, Ali would be fighting someone similar to Joe Frazier but a bit faster and a better overall arsenal of punches; although Frazier's left hook was probably as good or better than any one punch Tyson threw. Ali lost the first fight to Frazier when Ali had just left his prime but won two rematches and the 1st fight was extremely close and Frazier needed to be hospitalized afterwards.

With Ali, Tyson would face obvious problems. Ali was the fastest heavyweight in boxing history. Tyson could throw combos as fast as Ali could but that is only HAND speed. Footspeed, head movement, and upper body movement also factor into speed and Ali was undoubtedly the fastest heavyweight in history if take into account OVERALL speed. Ali also had KO power but it was nothing on the level of Tyson or Foreman. But, no one ever knocked Foreman out except for Ali which says something... Ali could hit hard when he wanted to but often didn't sit down on his punches to be able to quickly retreat out of harms way. Ali had a legendary chin and recovery abilities. The few times he was dropped he got back up and even managed to regain control of the fight. He had amazing cardio. He had an incredibly strategic mind, he had enormous experience, and tremendous heart equal to any of the bravest fighters in history.

Long story short? Both men would be facing someone who presented them with more problems than either would have faced in their whole careers. Ali would bring speed, endurance, recovery, intelligence, a chin that Tyson would have never seen all in one fighter. Tyson would be bringing power and speed and combinations together in one fighter that Ali had never seen. To me it shakes down pretty clear; the 5 rounds Tyson would have a clear advantage but if he did not KO Ali there is little doubt that Ali would KO or substantially outpoint Tyson if it wen the distance. Ali was too good in long drawn out dogfights and Tyson was to mediocre at them to assume Tyson could pull off a long distance match. Ali would however have to avoid Tyson at all costs for the first 5 rounds where Tyson was almost always dominant.

I really think the deciding factor would be mental strength. Ali never quit. Never once. Ali never gassed except when he was well past his prime, had parkinsons, against Spinks, and he still went the distance and stomped on Spinks in the rematch. He still never quit. Never let up. Ali would bring hatred and frustration out of virtually every fighter he ever fought. He'd get into their heads and play with their emotions. He was a psychologist who would make his opponents try TOO hard, get upset, get angry, leave themselves open, lunge in with punches, and he'd interrupt their rhythms. Tyson proved on several occasions he was susceptible to all of those things at one point or another. This movie presented well the psychological problems Tyson always dealt with. Ali would know that full well and would use it to make Tyson beat himself. Look at it this way... if Douglas could do it (btw Douglas fought very similar to Ali in their fight in terms of style) then you bet your hairy hobbit feet Ali would do it also. If Douglas could get up and take control after taking a clean uppercut from Tyson... you bet for sure Ali would get up and take control.

It would be a really tough and amazing fight for both guys, but at the end of the day I go with Ali 7 out of 10 fights.

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Ali admitted he would've lost on Arsinio Hall.

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I really think if they were both in their primes, it could have gone either way. Two great fighters with two great managers.
A lot of people tend to thing of Tyson as a one punch KO guy. But in those days with CU's , he would hit a guy five times as quickly as you can blink. However I think Ali's head games would have seriously have affected Tyson. If Ali was able to get in his head that could have been the difference maker.
Both fighters would have needed a perfect game plan and stuck to it no matter what I n order to pull of a win.
I really think either man could win & I'd bet if they fought ten times each would win five. But hafta pick , gun to my head , I go with Ali. The reach & the speed gives him the win.

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