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How to make correction in Goofs? (Re phone messages)


I found this in the "Incorrectly regarded as goofs" section of the Goofs page...

The scientists of the future should already have had Cole's last message from the airport before they sent him. They played back Dr. Railly's message "before" she had left it in the chronology of the movie, so they could also have had from the beginning all messages that anyone would leave on the secret machine at any time. However, the scientists explain that the process is very time consuming ("one word at a time") and that they had only deciphered Dr. Railly's message a few days ago, so they might not have gotten Cole's message yet.


My own thoughts on the subject:
They would have all the messages as soon as they set up a way to receive them. If the method they used was already set up -- before they used it for Cole -- they still would have all the messages at set up.

Time for processing? Well, it's certainly more dramatic that way. I wouldn't change it. Wouldn't call it a Goof. Just a way of justifying the delays.

I'm not quite sure how to interpret the "goofness" of this. So I don't really know what to make of the entry. Should it be changed?

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"Time for processing? Well, it's certainly more dramatic that way. I wouldn't change it. Wouldn't call it a Goof. Just a way of justifying the delays."

I agree, it's not a goof. The scientists said they have to put the messages together like jigsaw puzzles. The whole enterprise of finding the source of the virus had been riddled with misfortune and mistakes. It was an irony of fate that Cole's "Forget about the Army of the 12 Monkeys" message hadn't been reconstructed by the scientists a bit sooner, before they even sent Cole back in time in the first place. But of course, if that had happened then Cole's message at the airport in 1996 could never be made and there would have been one of those headache-inducing paradoxes...

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Unseen events in the future could explain this. How about this chronology:

- scientists start to tweak with time travel

- find some of their early experiments go awry, and the guys are left in the past

- need to figure out some way to get information from the past to them in the future

- (all this time they're continuing with time travel experiments, sometimes bungling)

- they figure out, "why not voice mail" (but of course it could just be "leave a paper message behind where we'll find it", or something much simpler)

- they send somebody back to configure a phone number for them to use, and immediately realize it must have worked because, voila!, as soon as they dial in they have a stack of crappy messages!

- meanwhile, they're continuing to send guys back in time travel including, by this time, a guy named James Cole

- the chronology catches up to what we've seen, and will later include much more time travel later on, no doubt.

Does this work for you?

So much is untold in this story, that we can fill in the blanks to make everything work.

My old 12 Monkeys links page:
http://www.catconsulting.ca/tempesta-tormenta

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Very nicely laid out, Cass! You put a lot of thought into this. I'm going to think about it for awhile before I draw my conclusion, though.
Take care,
Bruce

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