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I hate this movie... it pisses me off


I hate this movie... I love the whole cast. The acting is good and the story is realistic... but it just disgusts me every time I watch it. It leaves me feeling $#itty. The fact that EVERYONE acts like she is the one at fault and over-reacting when HE is the one who cheated on her. I wouldn't take him back if he cheated on me ONCE, but multiple times and with friends even.

I can't believe she takes him back. He's a player, liar and manipulator. No way would I take him back. He will do it again. You can never get that trust back. I would never trust him again and that would put a wedge into the relationship. Also, what kind of message is it sending her daughter? That it's ok for your husband to cheat on you?? That's exactly what her mom did. Her father cheated on her mother, and she said "he slipped up and it doesn't mean he doesn't love you" and took him back. WTF?!?! You can't love someone and cheat on them.

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i understand your view, but it's supposed to do that.

also, the reason it does that is you are from a different time and place. the movie is set in 94 in the genteel south. also, in that part of the world in 94 it was probably still closer to '54 ...especially in their 'old money' environment. That was the way things went, and you did not rock the boat like you do now.


having said all that, keep in mind, in 94 people didn't even say 'gay marriage' out loud. clinton had barely done dont ask dont tell at that point. the culture changes at warp speed now, and it's hard to go back and see things from the perspective of another time.

the reaction of everyone wasn't right, but it was the culture they lived in and was expected. and that's part of the movie i think to point that out, to draw a contrast and make you think exactly what you did think.

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i agree with LTUM...Take for instance the scene where julias friend tells her that julias husband and she had a one night thing..like it was nothing..i mean wtf? That would SO not happen today...the times were definitely different back then

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Beg to differ, I was 28/29 in 1994 and when I saw the film, my reaction was WTF???? She takes him back because he basically fixes her a nice dinner? The entire plot (like many of Khouri's stuff) is antiquated and absurd. Even in 1954, a woman's parents would NOT have encouraged her to stay with a man who not merely had an affair, but had a string of wildly public affairs.

We were plenty progressive 20 years ago---and infidelity is neither a liberal nor conservative value (actually my Grandmother and my Great Aunt, both staunch Republicans, took a much dimmer, less tolerant view of cheating than I do), in any event. Now had he had one affair and she still loved him, then I could certainly understand wanting to fix things in their marriage. IN fact I'd applaud it. But he clearly couldn't keep his pants zipped, time to move on!

But since it's a Callie Khouri vehicle, we have to watch a spoilt, Southern, rich girl whine about what she didn't get to do (hint, honey, you have time to do your Junior League thing and you work for Daddy, I'm sure he'd be flexible about your schedule) and can only EVER love her first love (it's called maturity, look into it)....

It's a perfectly dreadful film.

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the movie is not dreadful, and you (with others) are missing the whole thing

see, what you are doing is superimposing yourself over the story here. that's understandable to a point, but it impedes your ability to enjoy something on its own terms. what you're NOT doing is accepting the movie apart form your own subjective reactions. being subjective is necessary but if you overpower something then you miss it altogether.

a kind of 'forest for the trees' situation, if you will

not a criticism, so don't go off on me please

all i'm saying is, seeing this movie within the context of itself has it make sense, and that is the way (IMO) it can really be seen and enjoyed. what if everyone who saw something superimposed their own views onto movie plots every day? like when i watch ben kingsley in ghandi, i say 'well he's just plain stupid. he should just get some guns and organize an army. that's i'd do'

stuff like that

so anyway, in summary, i'd say the movie answers to itself. glorified and stylized? yeah probably. i agree about khouri to a degree. but the movie lives inside a little box, of two hours length. and within that frame it makes sense because it is its own world, its own values. (not to repeat the points i made in my earlier post up above)


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That's a fairly unique sort of sophistry. And under that logic then one could never critique anything because it would entail "superimposing themselves into it" and "failing to enjoy it on its own terms".

Seriously, total *beep* It's a crappy, clichéd, painfully dated chick flick. And is all the more insulting because it's done by a supposed feminist (who isn't one at all)

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don't call me sophie.

and i never took one hard line; seems you missed what i was saying. but that's fine

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Ummm, the term is "sophistry" and you are indeed a sophist. BTW, if you read the reviews on any aggregate site, you'll find I'm in quite good company.

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so point me to the agregate sites.

i consider myself good company too, btw

and since it went over your head, the sophie thing was a joke. i know all about the sophists, and the stoics, and the rest of them. many years of classical studies, in fact....




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I'd say an aggregate score of 37% on Rotten Tomatoes should definitely cover it...(strange that you were unaware)http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/something_to_talk_about/

Too bad your many years in classical studies failed to teach you what a decent movie is (cause it wouldn't be this piece of formulaic stupidity).

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lol ouch. somebody got they panties torn.

(or how does it go?)


nah i don't go to any other sites. imdb is it for me. i'm not DISLOYAL like you.

)imdb is hurt, btw, that you are two timing her)


now, go and agregate ole LTUMs movie lists and you will see i am even dumber than you first thought. i must have no idea whatever how to ID a good flick....



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Yes, I also noticed you DO criticize some films---wouldn't you thus negate your own argument of "enjoying something on its own terms" and/or "superimposing yourself in it"? Seriously, just wondering.

BTW, visiting other sites offers me the opportunity to be less provincial and insular---you should try it! :-) If anything, it's probably my tertiary site (when discussing the TeeVee, I generally visit the TWOP forums, first)

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well of course everything is subjective, so nothign is perfect for everyone. i don't mean that this film is perfect, not at all. i have just tried to make the case that it represents itself quite well within the right context, and i was trying to convey that in a sharing way. but eh, you don't like it, that's fine.

i only criticise one when i feel it's poor storytelling, poorly made, etc. i never criticise one that may be well done but which doesn't fit my tastes. (which it seems this one has done for some of you here)

and therein lies the diff.


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I find it very poor storytelling with a circa 1940's plot, except without the explanation of being a "product of its times"---that's my whole point. And despite big name stars, the acting isn't especially good, either. The only plus I'll give it is that it's overall pretty, southern horsey porn. And even that's been done just as well, if not better, 3 billion times before.

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don't hold back, pull the gloves off! lol

well i like it, so there. have a great day


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So ... because she didn't write things the way you wanted them to be written, she isn't a feminist? Are you kidding me?! How closed-minded can a person get? So basically, she's supposed to step in line with your way of thinking ... or she's not a feminist. 

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having said all that, i think the ending is poorly done. zips it up all nice and neat, doesn't come off satisfying. he says a few things and she is like, okay me too, then roll credits. talking here about the film's design not the circumstance, of course

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I gave it 5/10. I understand it was making fun of a life style similar to the Richard Gere movie " Dr. T and the Woman". I just didn't get it. I even own it (bargain bin), but the laughs seem forced. The scenes where she is assessing herself are good. And something had to be going on off camera for her to consider taking him back, she did admit to some of the blame. So happy ending. But not a good comedy in my opinion. How is poisoning someone funny? Unless this is slapstick comedy or better yet, screwball comedy. I don't find then situations in screwball comedies funny either. I'm glad you like it.


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In 1954, a woman's family did encourage her to stay with her cheating husband. Do your research!

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Well, she tried to kill him so I guess that evens the score.

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The dialogue on this thread is a cat fight, lol!

My guess is that the writer just figured oh well, they still had the hots for each other and let that little mishap go.

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I hate this comment

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Well, if it made sense, there would be nothing to talk about.
The Hollywood producers are making fun of the masses....they gave you SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT.


Oh what a day. What a lovely day!

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It's the hardest thing to get through in a relationship. Cheating is a very difficult thing to get past. You think that if someone truly loves you then how could they possibly ruin the future you were planning. How could you lay next to him? How could you fall back in love with someone who hurt you so deeply? On the other hand you look at the life you built and the child you made and memories ... Then you weigh it. You might dare to dream again. It takes time, patience and understanding. It takes years and many tears. It takes time to repair a marriage so close to being torn apart and two sometimes for it to have gotten there. It's easy to say you'd look back with no regrets and leave, until you actually have to make that decision. I absolutely love the fact that there is at least one movie out there that gives this chance because it isn't an easy decision to stay and try to make something work when everything and everyone tells you to abandon ship. Hope is not a weakness, it dares you to find a silver lining.

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>>Hope is not a weakness, it dares you to find a silver lining. <<

The hope you find from the situation of a cheating spouse/lover is that you'll be smarter in your NEXT relationship and find someone who treats you as you deserve.

For the young gals out there...don't be the mistress (he'll never leave her, trust me) because you're only screwing yourself in the end.

Don't stay with someone who cheats on you. They are broken (for many reasons) and need therapy. Until then, they will continue to lie and cheat, so move on and save yourself time. You deserve better. If you truly care about the person, leave them anyway and plan on being friends some day when they treat you better.

-Jane

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