I just confirmed this. All DVD and Blu-ray editions of this movie is cropped compared to the VHS fullscreen editions. There are NC-17 copies of the VHS, they aren't all R-rated.
shareits ridiculously cropped.About 50% of the image is missing in the wide screen version.Actors bodies which are shot head to toe,are about from waist-up in the wide version.This was shot in super35 and they had to crop it to make the wide screen format.
shareThe film's original aspect ratio is 2.35:1 and it was shot in super 35, the VHS version you're referring to is "open matte" 1.33:1, which is why you're claiming that it's "cropped".
"Don't believe everything you hear on the radio." - Charles Foster Kane
Well......on the VHS copy, I can see Kyle's c**k floating in the pool sex scene. However, it is nowhere to be seen on the DVD version. Maybe the OP is correct.
sharehttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114436/technical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_35
"Don't believe everything you hear on the radio." - Charles Foster Kane
"open matte" or not,in several scenes you can see LIz's ass in the VHS version,in the wide version,she is from waist up.Enough said.
share"open matte" or not, in several scenes you can see Liz's ass. in the VHS version, in the wide version, she is from waist up.Yes, and the diagram provided in the Wikipedia article illustrates why: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Super35_and_Techniscope.png. share
Well......on the VHS copy, I can see Kyle's c**k floating in the pool sex scene. However, it is nowhere to be seen on the DVD version. Maybe the OP is correct.
And when he is getting into the swimming pool, you can see his full 'bush'. It's nowhere on the dvd...but in plain site on the VHS!
Dammit Carol Sue, where is the vodka?!
The best example of Super-35 being shown open-matte for comparison was on Terminator 2: Judgment Day - The Ultimate Edition (double sided, double layer first pressing or 2 dual-layer DVD discs on later pressings) where you are shown the full image with two coloured outlines following the scene one for 2.35:1 widescreen theatrical presentation and the other the so-called pan & scan VHS 1.33:1 full-frame '90s TV and VHS presentations.
It is pretty informative and worth a look.
More image vertically (Top & Bottom) on 1.33:1 FF.
More image horizontally (Left & Right) in 2.35:1 WS.
You can see the full image as captured on film vs either format.
If a home release is open-matte it shows everything (full image). I have no idea if this film is that 'lucky' on VHS but even if it were, Overscan on older TVs would slightly obscure portions anyway. Doesn't really matter with most movies provided the Director's wishes are honoured. For example Paul Verhoven's Robocop: Director's Cut was in 1.66:1 on Criterion Collection DVD (non-anamorphic) but in 1.85:1 anamorphic widescreen on the MGM releases.
Please take it easy on me as I am certainly no expert on the subject.
Region 1 DVD -
http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Judgment-Day-Ultimate-Edition/dp/B00004TRD8
Region 2 DVD -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terminator-Judgment-Disc-Ultimate-Edition/dp/B000050YLU
The much forgotten, greatly misunderstood and largely ignored John Landis film Susan's Plan [Dying To Get Rich] was also apparently open-matte on USA DVD back in 2000. Confimation would be welcomed.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dying-Get-Rich-Susant-Plan/dp/B00004RF2Q
Chears.
Shinji3080
some films were simply released as open matt for tv (and therefore vhs) because once all tvs were 1:133 ratio, whereas the cinema release was 2.35:1. nowaways most of us have a wide tv of course
open matt can shows some things the director did not intend, the tv version of Wall Street shows the boom mic a few times, Charade (1963) there are a few times you can see the actual set lights. Two I remember.
Thanks. Next time I watch a film reformatted for open matte presentation I'll be a little more eagle eyed!
BTW the reason I brought up T2 was because James Cameron was involved in the framing decisions for home video formats.
I do wonder though how involved filmmakers are now a 1.78:1 version is offered to TV companies (some broadcast the film as intended others CHOOSE 1.78:1).
Shinji3080
Thanks, I didn't know that about Cameron.
Not sure about film makers, I guess cinema release is always filmed by a director for the large screen experience first and the TV as a second. Home TV now with HD and surround sound able to better emulate the cinema experience. How much TV is mow filmed in fullscreen format, I do not know any new shows like that.
The other option than open matt is pan and scan.
Here is an excellent video on this horror.
http://youtu.be/GMJhM3So4y8
In the case of pan and scan I doubt many directors were involved in that process as it usually ruins films.
When I watched Wall Street years ago on TV I could never understand the boom in the shot, years later I read about ope matt / pan and scan. Eye opener.
BTW I posted this for the benefit of any reader and many people don't seem to know this stuff.
washington and main is where the trialor was.. that milly and naomi lived in..its a empty lot now...........loved the part when naomi was eating food by the flamingo...please help ..need name of song that played while she was eating...
shareAre you referring to the scene where she's sitting on the car at night? The instrumental music was written especially for the film I believe.
shareIt's a down tempo version of the music from "Goddess", the show Nomi is in. It only appears in that segment of the film, the soundtrack album doesn't feature it. It's performed by Dave Stewart (from Eurythmics).
shareSo.... What version is best to find then?
shareDoes that mean there's no point buying the dvd? because I don't have a VHS anymore.
shareyes there is no reason to get the dvd or bluray.
just like there is no reason to get a full-screen version of any movie because they zoom in and crop every scene, ruining the movie.
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I have the vhs and tried to record it on dvd but macrovision
prevented me of doing it.If someone know how to get rid of
macrovision PM me.
I have the vhs and tried to record it on dvd but macrovision
prevented me of doing it.If someone know how to get rid of
macrovision PM me.
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It isn't that the widescreen version is "cropped".
The DVD/Bluray has the widescreen theatrical format, which was originally intended for the film.
The open matte is for vhs presentations with the sides often pan and scanned, or with shots opened up completely.
Widescreen:
http://i.imgur.com/m7KOlcs.jpg
Open Matte:
http://i27.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0117/53/12ea83d27797f65c9a51a77e2b576d53.png
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It isn't that the widescreen version is "cropped".I think, this post also helps clear up the reasons for the extra content being visible. share
The DVD/Bluray has the widescreen theatrical format, which was originally intended for the film.
The open matte is for vhs presentations with the sides often pan and scanned, or with shots opened up completely.
Widescreen:
http://i.imgur.com/m7KOlcs.jpg
Open Matte:
http://i27.fastpic.ru/big/2012/0117/53/12ea83d27797f65c9a51a77e2b576d53.png