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Brandon or Willoughby? *spoilers*


Ok, who is the fan favorite? Brandon or Willoughby?

I personally love Brandon. Willoughby always seems so self-self-absorbed, even before the big reveal of his character. He never worried about getting Marianne into trouble, when he leaves her (the first time) he only talks of himself being tormented,when they're talking about the cottage his feelings only are mentioned.

I always thought the most really unselfish thing that Brandon did (depending on how you look at it) was keeping what he knew of Willoughby a secret until after he ditches Marianne. He could have told sooner in the hopes of breaking them up but he takes the high road to spare her unnecessary pain.

So, Brandon for the win from me. Who does everyone else like or not like?

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This isn`t actually a serious question, is it? Brandon of course. Apart from the fact that I`d always prefer Alan Rickman to Greg Wise, it`s obvious almost from the beginning that Willoughy means trouble because he doesn`t really care about other people. One does not have to like Sir John or Mrs Jennings but to make fun of them in front of the Dashwoods who owe them quite a lot is in really bad taste- which Elinor notices and questions. So Brandon, hands down!

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He's quite a bit meaner in the book, too. Saying that Brandon invented having to go to London as an excuse. Really the times I find Marianne most unlikable is when she is influenced the most by him. Also, as you said about Mrs. Jennings and Sir John, he is very much a jerk about them. Especially since he is enjoying their hospitality, dinners, balls and other events they put together while mocking them behind their back. When Marianne basically ignores Brandon at the cottage because she's waiting for Willoughby's arrival always ticks me off. It's so rude! And at this point she doesn't even know Willoughby! Also making fun of Brandon's flowers is rude also, instead of being appreciative he thought to bring them.

Getting back to Mrs. Jennings and Sir John for a moment, they are definitely not elegant but they are shown time and again (in the book, I'm not sure it's so obvious in the movie) that they have truly good, feeling hearts. Mrs. Jennings even takes Marianne to London, where she dearly wants to go, then proceeds to ignore her the whole time and not even give her basic courtesy. Meanwhile some of the more 'elegant' people in the book are real bastards. Sorry for the language, that was truly the only word I could find for them.

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I have always found those scenes with Marianne rather cringeworthy -- by that I mean I almost cannot watch because she is so horrid to Brandon. I confess many times I just skip those scenes. However, isn't that what we are supposed to feel about Marianne at the beginning of the novel? She is insensitive to those around her, caught up in her own drama and romance. It is really only after her illness that I think she begins to moderate this behavior, and we can finally see the woman that she will become.

Fatalframe, I agree with you about Marianne being the most unlikeable when she is influenced by Willoughby. There are other times where she does not behave appropriately, but the most egregious examples always seem to somehow touch on Willoughby. It's like Willoughby brings out the worst in Marianne, while I think we can surmise from the little bit we see in the movie that Brandon will bring out the best in her. We do see Marianne in a different light during those final scenes of the movie. I have posted on this before, but I love Marianne in that scene where Edward comes to visit the cottage. She is sensitive to Elinor's feelings in that awkward and painful moment, and she exhibits true joy when she discovers that Edward has proposed. I hesitate to give Brandon all of the credit for her transformation, recognizing that some of it is likely the sobering effects of her illness. However, I'd like to at least think that he's played some part in her newfound maturity.

As to Sir John and Mrs. Jennings, I just adore them in this film. Yes, they can be a bit rough around the edges, but they are good-hearted. I always, always laugh when Sir John makes that quip about Elinor playing in F Major. Spriggs and Hardy are having so much fun there and it's just a hoot to watch.

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Marianne isn't so bad; her reactions to Brandon are somewhat immature, and her assumption that he has no feelings to be concerned about is just horribly, horribly wrong and results in a lot of pain for him, but she really isn't being deliberately cruel -- just a bit self-centered and thoughtless. As you say, she eventually learns to be more sensitive towards others' feelings.


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Brandon is by far the most admirable male character in this. I've noticed that the older I get, the more appealing I find Alan Rickman's Brandon to be. My mother had this movie and the A&E Pride and Prejudice on VHS, and showed them to me I was about eleven. Even at that age, I liked Brandon, but Sense and Sensibility had, to me, a more serious and mature feel to it than P&P, characters played by older actors that I found more difficult to relate to, and far less humor than P&P, so I wasn't as fond of Brandon as I was of Bingley or Darcy, for instance.

I think my mom was and is rather fond of Brandon, though, and I still recall some of the commentary she provided during the movie. 😁 Not that she runs her mouth during films, but every now and then, she'd make comments like "Tacky girl," during the part when Marianne leaves the room on Brandon's arrival, or "I don't know why she [Marianne] doesn't like him; he's always at her side," whenever Brandon was attentive to Marianne. Also: "Just so you know, this doesn't happen in the book." 😉

I agree with wimseymaniac about the film’s picnic scene; this is where we really start to notice Willoughby’s dark side. His verbal abuse of the Dashwoods' neighbors is done with a smile and an outwardly cheerful manner, but it’s actually rather mean-spirited and completely unprovoked. Elinor and Mrs. Dashwood, at least, appear a little uncomfortable with it, but it’s easy to assume that Willoughby’s lighthearted delivery helps them to brush it off as youthful jocularity.


"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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Well, Brandon, of course!
Considering the times, and Marianne's young age, it's no wonder that she initially preferred Willoughby. He was then young and undeniably handsome, and had 'expectations.' With Sir John and Mrs Jennings continually teasing Marianne about Brandon, of course she would take against their matchmaking endeavors. Marianne's meeting with Willoughby was dramatic and romantic....how could Brandon compete?
Marianne experienced the giddiness of first love, then the shattering heartbreak of being left behind with no explanation, something so many of us go through. She learned, and matured, as do we all, sadder yet wiser.
Brandon was a gentleman throughout, remaining in the background, ready and willing to step forward whenever Marianne needed him. She found that the steady, constant affection which he offered her was preferable to Willoghby's mercurial and undependable nature.
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My vote is for Brandon. I am watching the film as I write.

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I was recently rereading this book and watching the 1981 BBC version, which once again emphasized for me the differences between the character of Brandon as written by Jane Austen and Alan Rickman's portrayal. One interesting detail I noticed is that, in the book, Colonel Brandon actually falls in love with Marianne only after she and Willoughby begin to be affectionate with each other:

Colonel Brandon's partiality for Marianne, which had so early been discovered by his friends, now first became perceptible to Elinor, when it ceased to be noticed by them. Their attention and wit were drawn off to his more fortunate rival; and the raillery which the other had incurred before any partiality arose, was removed when his feelings began really to call for the ridicule so justly annexed to sensibility. Elinor was obliged, though unwillingly, to believe that the sentiments which Mrs. Jennings had assigned him for her own satisfaction, were now actually excited by her sister; . . . (ch. 10, S&S)


The point is that Sir John and Mrs. Jennings take pleasure in teasing everyone, whether the teasing is merited or not. The Barton neighbors want to believe that Brandon is in love, so they convince themselves that he is, but completely fail to notice when he really does develop feelings for Marianne. As always, Elinor is presented as one of the few truly perceptive people in the story.

Needless to say, the movie totally ignores this passage and shows Brandon falling in love with Marianne well before Willoughby arrives on the scene. 😉 I certainly can't say that I dislike the change (and Alan Rickman does a great job of looking lovesick), but it does take some of the irony and sharpness out of the story. Hmm... Could it be that the filmmakers thought that this was necessary to make Brandon's love for Marianne believable, or did they feel that Brandon would be less sympathetic to an audience if he began to love Marianne after she'd already entered into a relationship with someone else?

Now, before anyone mentions it, I do know that Mrs. Dashwood remarks in Chapter 45 that Colonel Brandon has been in love with Marianne "ever since the first moment of seeing her." However, Elinor thinks that this is merely an embellishment from her mother's overactive imagination, and since Austen obviously wants us to see Elinor as being far more reliable and rational than her mother, we are supposed to take her interpretation of events to be the more accurate one.

I suspect that, although the novel's Brandon has his share of fans, most people who adore Brandon are probably reacting more to portrayals of him on film -- Alan Rickman's and David Morrissey's, in particular. Filmmakers apparently can't resist turning this character into a more conventional type of romantic hero.



"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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I noticed that, also. In the exalted land of Moviedom,however, instantaneous love is more 'romantic' than a love built solidly on really knowing the other person and falling in love over a span of time. An ideal Jane Austen strictly endorsed. The only two people who even come close to instant love in her books are Marianne (whom is shown to be very wrong in believing that you can know a person instantly) and Catherine in Northanger Abbey (who is a satire of a Romantic Heroine and also an inexperienced young girl who has not been around guys very much and would be more likely to fall hard for the first charming man she meets).

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I agree with you. Catherine Morland's initial attraction to Henry Tilney always strikes me as a very typical teenage girl's crush. Can't say that I blame her, though -- he's one of Austen's nicest (yes, that word was used intentionally 😉), most appealing heroes. In general, though, the main characters in Austen's novels take longer to fall in love.

Having said that, I should clarify that I don’t exactly interpret Rickman’s first scene in the film as “This is where Brandon falls in love.” Brandon is attracted to Marianne, obviously, and he is probably struck by how much she resembles long-lost Eliza. But initial attraction isn’t love; it’s infatuation. Some people want to attach a deeper meaning to it, but I think they're wrong. 😉 However, attraction can lead to deeper feelings, and I think that’s what we see happening in Brandon’s subsequent scenes. In the book, Brandon does indeed take more time to fall for Marianne, but when he finally does, Austen tells us about it instead of showing the natural progression. I never get the impression that book Marianne and book Brandon interact much when they are in Barton -- and that's okay, because that was never meant to be the point of the novel.

In the film, as well, Marianne doesn’t initially think of Brandon as a potential love interest, but she does interact with him a little; they do things together, so we clearly see some basis for Brandon’s growing affection. The 2008 adaptation does something similar, but the 1981 version hews closely to the novel.


"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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Brandon. I don't even have to think before answering. I never liked Willoughby, and his mockery of Brandon after he had to leave the picnic at Delaford made me dislike him even more. The final straw was what he did to Beth. After Brandon told Elinor and the situation between Beth and Willoughby, and without showing any malice or jealously, he did not deny that he believed Willoughby did truly love Marian, as he had meant to propose before he was cut off from his fortune.

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Although I can understand Marianne's passion for Willoughby, for me it's quite easily and decisively Colonel Brandon.

I was surprised Marianne wasn't at least a little put off by Willoughby when he mocked Brandon at that little picnic they had by the cottage. That would have been a huge turn off, I'd think. It just made him seem so childish and cruel.

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Brandon. His love is the love of the heart, he cares deeply for Marianne and he is kind and reliable.

Willoughby is a selfish pleasure seeker. If he and Marianne had ever got together I doubt they would have been happy. I can well imagine him cheating on her if they got married. Marianne fell for him because he happened to share some of her interests (poetry and not hiding how you feel). Their relationship existed in the moment and she didn't stop to think about his character and motive.

I always feel so sorry for Brandon in the scene where he brings her flowers, he had picked them to brighten things up for her and she just ignores them. When Willoughby brings her some she can't contain her excitement, yes Brandon's were not wild flowers (which she preferred)but they were chosen and brought to her out of care and love and it's cruel that she was so disinterested in them.



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