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The "Pride" victim?

posted 9 years ago by arilicious234
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In the end, Doe calls her "a woman so ugly she couldn't stand to go on living if she wasn't beautiful on the outside", that has nothing to do with pride or vanity, to me, nobody wants to live without a nose or with a disfigured face, regardless of what their job is (a model in her case). Not sure if I'm just vain as well, but I don't think there really could have been much that they could do to help her at the hospital had she chosen that option.

Hi. I'm a 21-year-old female, so don't call me an idiot.

[–] jbaddock 9 years ago

The point would be that her looks would be more important to her than her life - she had the option of phoning for help, but chose to commit suicide rather than face life disfigured. OK, so maybe a lot of people might have done what she did, but I suspect that most would not - he selected his victim carefully, knowing what her likely reaction would be, and so her death went to illustrate the point he was making about Pride - her physical appearance was the most important thing in her life.

[–] Roy_Munson2014 9 years ago

Why can't we call 21-year-old females idiots? What you're saying truly is idiotic

You would rather DIE than lose your nose? I don't believe you for a second.

And if you think "nobody wants to live without a nose or with a disfigured face, regardless of what their job is", you're nuts

If you don't believe me - There are, sadly, MANY disfigured people living in the world right now. They haven't killed themselves

Some of the victims in this movie don't actually match their sin. This one did.

"Bltch, what you DON'T know about me -- I can just about squeeze into the Grand xxxxing Canyon!"

[–] cooperrox2006 9 years ago

That is not the point. The point is not to generalize ALL young women, but just this one in particular. Again, he chose his victim very carefully because she falls victim to choosing her beauty over her life. You even state there are MANY disfigured people living in the world right now, but what about the ones that also succumb to this same thought process of not wanting to live. I'm confident at some point the thought crosses their minds. This one victim just fell victim to her irrational thinking.

[–] thewolfchild 8 years ago

I won't call you an idiot, but you have clearly missed the point here. Are you saying all disfigured people should be suicidal and that would also be perfectly normal?

Anyway, the model in the movie demonstrates a perfect example of Pride. She makes a living by being beautiful. Once that beauty is lost, she doesn't have enough of a sense of self-worth to go on living.

Not all people are like that. Many, many, many people are disfigured every day, and they don't kill themselves. They still feel that they have a lot to live for and either don't care, or learn to not care, about their looks. They have other things in their lives... family, friends, career, other interests, etc.

The model, on the other hand, valued her looks over everything else in her life. That is the absolute definition of Pride. (also known as "vanity")

Hope this helps.

Wolf

"I Drank What?!" - Socrates

[–] stephenalienkissane 8 years ago

the model would have been in an emotional shock and not thinking right , he cut her to pieces

you do not punish someone for having big boobs!