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Did KUBRICK direct this thing?


(no worries, not a literal question. I know Todd Haynes is the brilliant captain of this ship:)

but is it just me, or does anyone else see a definite 'Kubrickness' in the cinematography, tone and 'stillness' of 'Safe'?

Dahaamn........some of the individual shots in this film have that same ice-cold, obsessively perfect symmetry that we associate with '2001: A Space Odyssey', 'The Shining', etc......

this can be seen most strikingly in the scenes where Carol is dwarfed by her 'ominous surroundings' (her disturbingly perfect and mind-numbingly antiseptic suburban home)........this visual style/tone seems like an odd choice for what might be described as a kind of 'disease-of-the-week tv-movie' (of course, we all know it's much more than that:), but the result is that the film plays almost like a horror/suspense film.......

I haven't seen a creepier dramatization of a 'housewife in suburbia' story since 'The Stepford Wives'

just brilliant in my opinion :)



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oh and check out the scene where the delivery men bring the teal couch into the living room.......

Carol and the 3 men then stand back and silently gaze at the new couch as the scene fades out........you'd think they're looking at the bloody monolith! *grin*

It's just such an interesting use of this particular visual 'style' to tell this story.........it gives mundane, every day things such a sinister 'weight' ~ the teal couch, the dining room table as Carol drinks her milk, and my favourite, that creepy baby shower scene where Carol has her 'attack'.

and who knows........maybe the teal couch is the monolith!:)

(it certainly seems to symbolize some kind of 'god of suburbia' that Carol worships/serves in the early scenes of her vacuous existence:)



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I liked the direction in this movie. Haynes has a great eye for intimate scenes. Most scenes are shot at a distance from the actors. We get the feeling that the background, the surroundings, the music, is all a part of the scene. Most movies have the camera right in the actors' faces and it takes away from the total experience.

Another director who used a lot of distanced shots was Andrei Tarkovsky. His movies deal with nature, philosophical issues, and man's place in the world. He never seemed to let his actors overtake the scenery, his actors were more in union with nature. See his swan song THE SACRIFICE for some great scenery.

I also really enjoyed Haynes' FAR FROM HEAVEN. What a beautifully photographed film. Julianne Moore was great again. The ending was just powerful. I love silent endings. She arrives at the train station and has that last fleeting glance. No dialogue, just presence. The fading music.



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I read that Haynes actually had his cinematographer look at 2001 (as well as Akerman's film JEANNE DELMANN) before they shot this film, because that was the kind of icy, inhuman look they were going for.

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I love the DVD commentary where Todd says of that couch scene that's when he looked at someone and said "Am I making a film about a couch?"

So yeah...maybe it is the monolith.

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"Actually, the Angelo Badalamenti-esque synths and the disconnected feel of the first half reminded me more of Lynch's work."


*smile* I agree (although the 'disconnected feel' is definitely VERY Kubrickian too)

Did you notice the eerie similarities between the opening of 'Safe' and the 'Mulholland Drive'?

Watch the opening of those 2 films sometime. They are sooooo similar in tone and look and sound it's uncanny ~ the headlights illuminating a curving road at night, the Badalamenti-esque score, and even deeper than those things......in both cases, a woman is being driven to a place/event that is 'perilous' to her.

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Haynes mentioned resently at moviefone.com his 5 most influntial films, here they are:

2001: A Space Odyssey
(1968, dir: Stanley Kubrick, starring: Keir Dullea, Gary Lockwood)
It's an astoundingly experimental, formally experimental film in every way. It's just shocking when you go to see it again and you realize how much time is spent watching a triangle move into a rectangle or a sphere into a cone. It's almost the most basic geometric reduction of narrative conflict. It's powerful in its restraint, and then in its sort of muscular expanse as well, almost at a philosophical level. I applied a lot of its style and restraint and use of beautiful sustained long shots and controlled zooms to my film Safe, which is about Los Angeles in the '80s and the story of a housewife encountering her toxic intolerance to her environment. To me, it was a really interesting metaphor for a way of dealing with an increasingly controlled environment that we all live in, controlled by technology and by chemicals. Almost the sense of being in an airport where everything is modulated, the air, and the speed that you walk down runways, and every aspect of life is determined by our machines and technology.



All That Heaven Allows
(1955, dir: Douglas Sirk, starring: Jane Wyman, Rock Hudson)
There's a beautiful film called All That Heaven Allows that my film draws a great deal from. Rock Hudson's a sort of visionary gardener who reads Thoreau, and Jane Wyman's a widow who's older than him, and they strike up a friendship that sort of scandalizes their very pent-up social world. Sirk reached a sort of apex in his filmmaking in the '50s, and there is something different from his stories about women than what we might call "women's films" from the '40s or the '30s that often starred Bette Davis or Katharine Hepburn, who became far more dazzling, charismatic, strong, striking figures than most of us know in life. What's really poignant about the Sirk films is that they're about very ordinary, limited people who struggle with very basic social pressures and prejudices and often don't come out heroic on the other end. They often buckle under the pressures of their worlds, and I love that about these films. What films today would sort of end with is Kathy coming home and saying, "Oh, Cybil, I've spent my whole life in the shadow of the men around me, and I've lost everything, but now I know who I really am." It would sort of articulate what she's learned for you, and these films didn't do that. Their characters were very mute in that way, and I think that demands you to think more about what's going to happen to them. A lot of films that do everything for you leave you with nothing to do at the end, and I think that's robbing spectators of a terrific potential.

Ali: Fear Eats the Soul
(1974, dir: Rainer Werner Fassbinder, starring: Brigitte Mira, El Hedi ben Salem)
Another film that I would put on my list is Fassbinder's beautiful remake of [All That Heaven Allows], called Ali: Fear Eats the Soul in America. He took the same basic ideas and applied it, as he often did, so brilliantly to contemporary German culture, where the woman was actually in her sixties, a female janitor who cleans bathrooms. She stumbles into a Turkish bar one evening in the rain and sees this hugely tall, handsome 20-something-year-old black Turk, and they strike up a friendship that becomes romantic. It's just a really beautiful, poignant movie that follows All That Heaven Allows very closely, more than my film ultimately does, but in a really brilliant way. He turned it into something having much more to do with the sort of repressed and conflicting social realms in Germany in the '70s, particularly with tensions between minority cultures and German working-class cultures at that time. All of his films have those sort of rigorous politics involved even if he almost always uses the melodrama as the form, but this manages to be really touching and moving. It's the only direct adaptation of a Sirk film that I know of that came before Far From Heaven.

Night of the Hunter
(1955, dir: Charles Laughton, starring: Robert Mitchum, Shelley Winters)
It's just a magnificently radical movie for the period in which it's made. I mean, just simply at the level of the use of the image, the shadows, the lighting, the amazingly evocative scenes on the river with the kids and those animals in the foreground. It has a gorgeous understanding of artifice, that films are allegorical basically, and it embraces that idea fully. It's a story of a little boy and girl whose father gets shot when he steals money, and they're enlisted to hide the money even beyond the eyes of his widow, who Shelley Winters. And Robert Mitchum plays this completely evil pseudo-minister who met the father in prison, so his quest is to get the money out of these kids' hands, and he does it with all the manipulations of love and power and dominance over them. It's just a really exquisite journey that the film takes, and basic binaries are called into question at the end. It's a film about good-and-evil and love-and-hate (as depicted in Robert Mitchum's knuckle tattoos), but I think the way the little kid's feelings for his father end up mirroring his feelings for Robert Mitchum is what completely severs me at the end of that film.

Performance
(1970, dir: Donald Cammell and Nicholas Roeg, starring: James Fox, Mick Jagger)
It's just a wonderfully rich use of cinematic language, with the strongest, most provocative and radical aspects of the medium being used through editing and cutting. But also it's a really rich depiction of that cultural moment, that climate of sexual questioning and the mutability of sexual and other forms of identity. It was definitely an inspiration, maybe my prime inspiration for Velvet Goldmine in terms of style, sort of a fusion of experimental film meeting rock culture and drug culture that was beginning to come into mainstream venues in surprising ways in the late '60s and early '70s. It's about the London underworld in the late '60s. James Fox is a kind of a thug connected to the Mob, and he has to go into hiding and finds this exiled rock icon and his crazy entourage of characters, and sort of ends up being indoctrinated into this out-of-time world where drugs and dressing up and constant questions about transformation and identity are sort of the rules of the game. He transforms, and there's this strange kind of psychological bonding that goes on between him and the Mick Jagger character that's both sexual and plays with their opposites. Part of what's great about these movies and what sort of elicits young people's obsessions is they're sort of begging for interpretation and their wonderful blurriness and their provocative allure of ideas.

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I just watched Fassbinder's TV film FEAR OF FEAR, about a young housewife who suddenly becomes more and more paranoid for no reason in particular. Since Haynes has mentioned repeatedly how much he was influenced by Fassbinder, it seems resonable to say that SAFE might well have been influenced by that film as well. Check it out; it's on DVD.

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Yes, Haynes is a huge Fassbinder fan. As well as Ophuls, Kubrick and Chantal Akerman as has been described. I haven't seen that TV movie you mentioned...is it available?

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Lee Halloway, I love you. I thought about Kubrick the first time I ever saw this film.

For me, it was the way Carol seemed to be always dominated by her environment. Something always seems to be looming over her, making her small.

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but if kubrik had directed this film we'd have to conclude that moore was a type-cast air-head!

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Restraint from cliche. The cult is dealt with so well...

if you like this film I suggest checking out Cronenberg's CRASH (1996).

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Good call-- similar feel in the two films. Subject matter completely different though. :D

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