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Beautiful, sad film and I think I've finally seen the light.


I think, after watching this and other versions of Othello, as well as reading Shakespeare's work, that I've finally found the reason why Othello acted the way he did ...... "He loved himself more than he loved Desdemona". Yes, for all his deep assertions of love, with the first hint of infidelity his ego is so damaged that he sinks into the abyss of jealousy, without one thought for Desdemona. If you truly love someone you would seek their word first against any slight and face the world together.

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I think you are missing the point. The reason Othello acts the way he does is not because he has a large ego but because of the manipulations of his so called "best friend". Othello does not just take Iagos word on the subject, he is confronted with seemingly indisputable evidence in the form of the hankercheif.

If your best friend came to you with evidence that your girlfriend/wife was having an affair, would you calmy go and ask her or would you get so mad that you flew into a fit of rage.

Othellos ego is bolstered during the play by Iago. to such an extent that Othello begins to believe that he is the best. This therefore makes it harder to accept that Dessie is having an affair with a "lesser" man. But this is caused, quite intentionally, by Iago.





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So is it worth it? Seeing the movie, I mean. I've seen a couple of parts in my Shakespeare class because we are studing Othello right now and from what I saw I wasn't really impressed. The only thing I was impressed was the acting of Kenneth Branagh. I really liked how when he was talking about what he really felt or explaining what his real intentions were he looked at the camera. It was very effective. You could tell what was real and what wasn't. But other than that, is is worth renting? I know my teacher had to fast-foward a part or two because of a sex scene, but that doesn't really bother me. It's the acting. So, is it worht it?


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We just saw about an hour and a half in my English class and I would say that so far it is worth it. I really like the movie, especially Branagh. He was so believeable. Especially, like you said, when he was looking at the camera. When he said, "I hate Othello," it was just perfect. I'm going to have to buy or rent this myself because we didn't finish it but so far so good.

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Worth renting, sure; worth buying, not so much. Kenneth Branagh is an amazing actor, but the others are a bit below par.

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It's not so much that he loved himself too much, but that he loved Iago. "...one that loved not wisely, but too well" does not refer so much to his love for Desdemona as it does his love for Iago. Othello loved and trusted Iago and never could believe for an instant that Iago would betray him. Desdemona, on the other hand, had already betrayed her father, so when "honest Iago" suggests that she has also betrayed her husband, thats not really so hard to believe. And for the record, I abhor this play, they are all whiny little bitches and should have been drowned in the canals of Venice in the first scene.

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From "Die Frohliche Wissenschaft" by Nietzsche:

The things people call love.— Avarice and love: what different feelings these two terms evoke!—nevertheless it could be the same instinct that has two names, once deprecated by those who have, in whom the instinct has calmed down to some extent, and who are afraid for their "possessions"; the other time seen from the point of view of those who are not satisfied but still thirsty and who therefore glorify the instinct as "good." Our love of our neighbor—is it not a desire for new possessions? And likewise our love of knowledge, truth, and altogether any desire for what is new? Gradually we become tired of the old, of what we safely possess, and we stretch out our hands again; even the most beautiful scenery is no longer assured of our love after we have lived in it for three months, and some distant coast attracts our avarice: possessions are generally diminished by possession. Our pleasure in ourselves tries to maintain itself by again and again changing something new into ourselves,—that is what possession means. To become tired of some possession means: tiring of ourselves. (One can also suffer of an excess—the lust to throw away or to distribute can also assume the honorary name of "love.") When we see somebody suffer, we like to exploit this opportunity to take possession of him; those who become his benefactors and pity him, for example, do this and call the lust for a new possession that he awakens in them "love"; and the pleasure they feel is comparable to that aroused by the prospect of a new conquest. Sexual love betrays itself most clearly as a desire for possession: the lover wants unconditional and sole possession of the person for whom he longs, he wants equally unconditional power over the soul and over the body of the beloved; he alone wants to be loved and desires to live and rule in the other soul as supreme and supremely desirable. If one considers that this means nothing less than excluding the whole world from a precious good, from happiness and enjoyment; if one considers that the lover aims at the impoverishment and deprivation of all competitors and would like to become the dragon guarding his golden hoard as the most inconsiderate and selfish of all "conquerors" and exploiters; if one considers, finally, that to the lover himself the whole rest of the world appears indifferent, pale, and worthless, and he is prepared to make any sacrifice, to disturb any order, to subordinate all other interests—then one comes to feel genuine amazement that this wild avarice and injustice of sexual love has been glorified and deified so much in all ages—indeed, that this love has furnished the concept of love as the opposite of egoism while it actually may be the most ingenuous expression of egoism. At this point linguistic usage has evidently been formed by those who did not possess but desired,—probably, there have always been too many of these. Those to whom much possession and satiety were granted in this area have occasionally made some casual remark about "the raging demon," as that most gracious and beloved of all Athenians, Sophocles, did: but Eros has always laughed at such blasphemers,—they were invariably his greatest favorites. Here and there on earth we may encounter a kind of continuation of love in which this possessive craving of two people for each other gives way to a new desire and lust for possession, a shared higher thirst for an ideal above them: but who knows such love? Who has experienced it? Its right name is friendship.

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hm....sorry but I think you missed one crucial point here. Racism. Don't you think that quite the opposite is true? That Othello has in fact huge self-doubts having to face the daily racism of this time, we are talking about a time full of slavery and such. He is after all just "the Moor" and is only then adressed by his name when he is present. Wouldn't he be the soldier he is, it is doubtful he was allowed to remain in Venice like this.

And I am more than convinced that Othello is very aware of the underlying racism. He wouldn't have to use such a rethoric and state explicitly how valuable he is as a fighter and man, if he was felt secure of his qualities and of his place in society. In front of the Seant he denies he'll feel any passion for his wife...to avoid the stereotype of the "old black ram".

He loves Desdemona, truly with all his heart, thus he kills himself because he can't stand the truth that it is in fact a murder and not a sacrifice. He has to kill her in order to keep up his fashioned self, to shield himself from facing what everybody around him (except D.) seems to believe true: that he is just a jealous, sex driven, wild moor. Which he of course is not. But he has internalised the stereotypes in such a way, that he would do anything to prevent them from seeming to be justified. (Inner racism).

I think jealousy might play a role, a minor one, though, because look at how quick his transition is. And he says it himself, I guess in the temptation scene, that he is older and of a different racial background than Desdemona, yet she chose him. He *is* very aware of racial prejudice.

So...I think that's the major point... .

And yeah, the acting is awesome.

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I think it's also important to remember that his race, or the implications of his race, was part of the reason that Desdemona fell in love with Othello. She pitied his past, and his pain made her see past "what she fear'd" and see a beautiful person underneath.

It is also important to remember that the devil in this play is Iago, who in the movie is played brilliantly by Branagh. He shows a completely different side to his friends than he does to us. If you had a friend like Iago, would you doubt him? He is "honest Iago" and "good Iago" to all of them, to Cassio, to Othello, and to Desdemona. He really coveted no more than to be loved by Othello, a point that Branagh showed brilliantly in the scene on the roof of the palace, when made his right had man. It makes you wonder what made Iago into such a manipulative little demon.

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Iago can symbolically be seen as Othello's alter-ego - the 'darker' side (pun intended)in Othello himself. He is the devil on the shoulder, Othello's paranoia, Othello's self-doubt, Othello's mistrust and mis-placed trust. Iago is all the negative emotions and states that we share. Its the reason that Iago survives at the end - he represents that which can never be eradicated. No matter how hard you try to defeat him, he'll always be there, doubting, judging and condemning.

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Something else to keep in mind: Iago is white, and yet his character fits more the stereotypes, and is completely black in the sense of evil (though I don't think him completely evil, just blinded). Othello, however, has a spotless record of service, is noble, trustworthy, honest, and even pure, blind to the evil in his friend. Pure and good = white? I always found it interesting that the villain in the piece is a white man, while his chief victim is the black man...

I love your point about why Iago is still alive at the end of the play, graewil. Iago definitely represents society's prejudices, doubts, etc, and you could say that the torture they discuss at the very end represents how much we ourselves are tortured by our self-doubt, paranoia, mistrust, and the like, or it could stand for our efforts in removing those qualities from ourselves.

I've always thought that part of the beauty of Shakespeare is that it means different things to different people. That's why we still discuss him, and why experience with Shakespeare is necessary for our modern definition of 'educated'. There's no right or wrong way to interpret his works, it's all individualised. Perhaps that is why we still find Shakespeare so fascinating today, along with the fact that his works are timeless.

Regards,
Arianwen

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The Moorish Captain in Shakespeare's source material is pretty despicable. It's very interesting that Shakespeare chose to make Othello noble in contradiction to his source.

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Great posts, graewil and ArianwenPendragon.

Incidentally, Iago has a very interesting linguistical history.

In short, the meaning of the word Iago translates to supplanter, which means, one who wrongfully or illegally seizes and holds the place of another. That fits Shakespeare's Iago.

Yet, the name Iago is descended from Saint James (James The Great), a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth (Christ). Ironically, this also fits Shakespeare's Iago, because outwardly, Iago faithfully (as a guise) follows Othello.

The Duality of Human Nature...

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many thanx to everyone who's contributed here. graewil, Arianwen and temporaryone in particular, this has been one of the most insightful and educational posts that i've read in years. those are really interesting interpretation with provoking ideas, and thank you for the linguistical history temporaryone. Hope to see you around.

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I think i gotta disagree with the comment about jealousy playing a minor role. If anything i feel it plays the largest role. The whole play of based around the changes of his heart, from a hard heartened warrior, to a lover, then someone who is tortured by doubt. The doubt is probably the worst part, as anyone who's experienced extreme jealousy should know. Othello even examplifies this, when he says he'd rather the whole camp had enjoyed her sweet body, had he nothing known. He loved her too much the very thought of her betrayal was too much. Then came Iago, the very light in this whole dark matter. Given that it should be easier to recognise why Othello was so apt to follow Iago.

About the time taken for Othello to commit murder based on jealousy, I've read critics state that Shakespeare intended it fully in order to prove the influnce of Jealousy. Had the plot taken its time, the passion would have faded, and Iago's deception found out. However, because of the shortened time span, Othello was still in a tangle of mental torture, doubt and passionate anger towards what, in his mind, is proven: Desdemoda's unloyalty.
I know everyone will say, 'what proof'? But they are considering the 'evidence' from a logical state of mind. Of course everything in the play seems insignificant when it comes to proving Othello's suspicions; but consider his feelings: the woman he loves most in the world has suddenly had an awful rumnour thrown against her, naturally Othello is adverse to it at the beginning. However, as time goes on (without anything to disprove his theories) the doubt based on jealousy begin to settle and take over his mind. Everything Iago feeds him becomes fact.
I think this quote sums it up very well.
"Trifles are to the jealous, confirmations of holy writ'- Iago

Also this other quote, whose arthor i can't remember, says it nicely: dwell on a thought to long and it takes you prisoner.

I respect the other theories about his motives, but many of them require Othello to posess a logical mind when he did that. How can someone of Othellos upstanding character murder his wife with a clear mind? Remember this is a general, a man who was successful in battle and praised by the dukes. He wouldn't of been a base, idiotic man.

Anyway, there's my ramblings on the topic. Pardon me, i just completed a 4unit eng task on this so i have alot fresh in my mind hehe.

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I feel that Othello did not love himself at all. He is easily persuaded that Desdemona has rejected him for another lover, because he is old, black and unrefined. He feels completely inadequate as a courtier and as a lover, however effective he is as a soldier.

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The reason Iago can so easily manipulate Othello is because Othello is weak. And his love for Desdemona is not love but possessiveness. If he saw her as more than his property he would not have felt entitled to take her life, regardless of her behavior with other men.

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i'd agree thats a plausible motive for the murder, but i can't see it defining Othello's nature in his entirity. Othello wasn't weak, he was a general. and his resistance to Iago's lies are evident at the beginning, however it is after a while of doubt that Othello begins to fall prey, and then yes, become weakened. That doesn't reflect his character as being any worse than any normal jealous man. Millions have commited similar things because of such jealousy.

About him seeing Desdemoda as property, that could be attributed to it somewhat, though i don't beleive its the whole reason(as said above). But do remember the time this was written in, it wasn't unusal to see the women as property, we shouldn't hold it too much against Othello. He did genuinly love her.

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This answer is a tad belated. :)

I agree that it wasn't unusual at that time for women to be viewed as property. But I must differ from you on your definition of true love.
God spare me love such as that.

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That is a very good point.

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