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the Astronaut's daughter....

posted 18 years ago by rayshiest2004
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was he lying to his crew about his daughter?

in one scene the captain says she should be around 10 years old at the time, and his face becomes distraught, then he freaks out about the music box hitting the floor, then the whole memory about his daughter climbing up on the roof

so my question is..... Was he lying to his crew mates? did she die that fateful day on the roof?

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[–] jakewashere 18 years ago

One answer, I think, is an unpleasant premonition - the ghost of the place is making him THINK about his daughter dying.

Or you could be right. His crewmates wouldn't know whether his daughter was really dead, so he could be lying - and the ghosts pulled out of his head that not only is his daughter dead, but here's how she died... hence the constant images of falling associated with his hallucinations of his daughter.

[–] alastairward 17 years ago

The opera singer wanted to keep the memory of her dead partner alive, maybe he wanted to do the same for his daughter. I'm not sure either way.

[–] Rachael89 15 years ago

Old thread I know, but I just wanted to say I thought this was a great idea. It would be the best way of explaining why Emily dosen't look older than five or six in all the visions of her. If she'd died as a young child after slipping from the roof, then his reaction to the shattering doll makes a lot more sense to me than it did initially.

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[–] Majestic_Moose 14 years ago

He was possibly still grieving about his daughter's death, which is why Eva played on this insecurity in order to try and snare him. Once he embraced the fact he'd lost his little girl, he was able to free himself - physically and emotionally.

[–] ChazzJazz 11 years ago

he gave his daughter that spacesuit, and the girl climbed on the roof to fly....

But why does Eva need two guys?

[–] sebaser 11 years ago

We just dont know.
The anime gets really incoherent towards the end and starts throwing all kinds of random stuff at the screen.
She might be dead, she might be alive, we have no way of telling ether way since she isnt shown once.
Also how would the robot even know about his daughter ?

In the end it dosnt matter to the story told.

[–] drakeyequation 11 years ago

We just dont know.
The anime gets really incoherent towards the end and starts throwing all kinds of random stuff at the screen.
She might be dead, she might be alive, we have no way of telling ether way since she isnt shown once.

How is this even up for discussion? If you're expecting it to spoon-feed everything to you then you're watching the wrong movie. It doesn't take much reading between the lines. Our first clue is when they're on The Corona and one of the crew asks Heinz about his little girl and he responds with a stony silence. It might seem fairly forgettable at first, but EVA continues to haunt Heinz with images of his life back home. There's certainly no ambiguity in the climactic scene. It's established Eva (or what remains of her in A.I form) lives out her past memories and seduces unsuspecting travelers with these fantasies. EVA offers Heinz an escape from his own pain, in this case a scenario where his little girl is still alive, and to achieve this she first makes Heinz relive his daughter's death. However, as he's about succumb to the illusion, he notices his wallet on the ground and the photograph inside, a link to his grief that snaps him out of it. This is represented by Heinz's parting words: "Memories... Memories aren't an escape!"

How much clearer does it need to be?

Also how would the robot even know about his daughter ?

She's an advanced AI who can create holograms and apparently has the power to read her victim's minds to suss out what kind of illusion will ensnare them.

[–] sebaser 11 years ago

What you are doing is throwing in one interpretation and assuming its a fact, when its not.

Just as well the robot can magically control people minds, and drive them insane with visions just like that other guy was.

She's an advanced AI who can create holograms and apparently has the power to read her victim's minds to suss out what kind of illusion will ensnare them.

This is nowhere stated, and mo, the ai is not advanced. Its one of the first ever build, even the base itself is over 100 years old, yet none of them saw this technology before.
Then again this might just be a plot hole, the writer of this turd probably couldn't think of any other ways to explain all the magic we see, so he just ignored that problem.

I dont want the movie to spell out everything for me, but i want for it to be consistent and not brake the rules of the universe it creates. And fo *beep* sake, decide if its magic or not. IF yes, then dont bother with half assed explanations, if no, then explain it.

[–] drakeyequation 10 years ago

What you are doing is throwing in one interpretation and assuming its a fact, when its not.

And you, sir, are being deliberately obtuse if you cannot recognize this quite obvious of plot points. Heinz's daughter is dead. Eva creates an illusion in order to seduce him (like the rest of her victims). Makes no frickin' sense if Heinz's daughter is still alive, which is why you're probably confused. We're led to believe that at the beginning of the movie, but it's only at the climax that we learn the truth. Just because you failed to catch on doesn't mean "we don't know." Speak for yourself.

Just as well the robot can magically control people minds, and drive them insane with visions just like that other guy was.

It's not magic, it's electronic telepathy. There are already computers developed that can use neuroimaging to read brain activity. Who's to say that in some unknown future there wouldn't be an AI advanced enough to extract someone's memories? Ultimately, it's a sci-fi movie, dude. If you're not willing to suspend some disbelief then perhaps this isn't the genre for you?

[–] PreachCaleb 10 years ago

I gotta agree with Drakey, here.

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[–] sebaser 10 years ago

Just because you failed to catch on doesn't mean "we don't know." Speak for yourself.

What you mean to say is i failed to jump to a conclusion, which maybe the movie wants me to do or not, i dont care. I didnt care if she was dead or not, and so i felt no need to really try to deduct it from some trace information thrown here and there. Such a important plot point should be directly stated without room for misinterpretation, other wise its poor and confusing writing.

it's electronic telepathy.

No sucj thing, please stop pulling terms out of your ass.

There are already computers developed that can use neuroimaging to read brain activity. Who's to say that in some unknown future there wouldn't be an AI advanced enough to extract someone's memories?

No there arent, and no it wont be possible.

Even after 50 years of neuroscience we have no idea how brains store and process data, not because of lack of technology, but become of its structure. Mostly due to each one being coded specifically for that person.
A human brain thinks and memorizes by referencing synapse paths between neurons leading to different memories that create other memories. Our brains have no standard coding language, and each persons system for building memories looks differently, for a machine to read someones memories it would have to perform full brain scan and record every neuron activity, which is physically impossibly in a non invasive way, you cant record elector path tarvel since they move at alsost light speeds.

A machine capable of that wouldnt be 100 or 1000 years away, it would literally have control over the structure of matter and space time itself, it would be what we think of as god.

Also dont confuse detecting brain activity with reading human thoughts. Since brain controlled devices are childs play even today, neurons themself are pretty simple in structure, and very easy to connect to. Just because we can see something works, dosnt mean we know what it does and how it works. Only problem we have with this is human immune system rejecting any implants that people try to connect for longer.