I think that the rape scene is one of the most important scenes in the film. Mainly because it depicts how casper picked up a horrible disease from his best friend. It shows how horrible Aids/hiv really is. I also thought it was sad how Jennie didn't make it time to save the girl. That just shows how things can spread.
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Yeah the point is definitely to show how far the HIV will spread and how many young kids lives will be shattered by it.
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And that you can get it so unexpectedly
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...and that all it takes is one small mistake. Telly and Casper probably deserved it to some extent, Telly for talking (too) young girls into losing their virginity to him before they were ready and Casper for raping Jenny.
However, Ruby is the only girl who kind of deserved it, since she'd sleep around unprotected without caring about it, but she was still clean when she got tested.
Meanwhile, Jenny, Darcy and the opening sequence virgin didn't deserve to catch AIDS on their first time. That said, life's a bitch... Like I said, all it takes is one small mistake.
I don't really think Telly deserved it. He might have been extremely calculating when it came to getting laid, but he's just an ignorant kid. As for Casper's raping of Jenny, how in control he was is debateable. As for Ruby, I'm not even sure she would have deserved to catch anything. Again, she's just a stupid kid who is too dumb to realize the possible consequences of her actions.
"Why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?"
Then again...not ALL the people Telly had sex with necessarily contracted HIV. Casper may not have gotten it either. It's a huge gamble. The odds are actually kinda slim..If you have sex with someone who's HIV and you don't use a condom, your odds are 1 in 500 of contracting the virus. Even though they're slim, I would NEVER take the risk!!!
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As for Casper's raping of Jenny, how in control he was is debateable.
Nope. He was just an overall terrible person. He had sex with VEERRYYY young girls (he was practically a pedophile- the girl in the opening scene was supposed to be 12) and most possibly killed them because of his refusal to get tested or use protection. Honestly, I think even if he knew he had it he still would have had unprotected sex.
shareI think that is kind of the point of the whole film, AIDS isn't fair and anybody can get it whether your a virgin or a slut, or if you deserved it or not, all it takes is one mistake. Showing the different contrasts between the characters (the virginal Jenny, the experienced Ruby, Telly and the girls he preys on etc.) just emphasizes how devastating it is. Its bleak but that's how it works, the ones who don't deserve it usually end up paying the price for anothers carelessness.
shareNobody "deserved" to get HIV.
shareYeah the point is definitely to show how far the HIV will spread and how many young kids lives will be shattered by it.
I'm not sure if itrhymes is being sarcastic, but I think the point is not to expose the dangers of HIV. The point is to show us how much the human race has decomposed. People just don't care, and are just waiting for the days they die, though most don't know it. HIV/AIDS is just one of the consequences, but its the cause and process that matter the most. Society is crumbling.
Come the *beep* on RAPE is not a mistake
shareYes I know, I'm not not trying to justify Caspers actions. What I'm saying is that he unknowingly picked up the disease from his best friend. If the girl was some random tramp, the scene wouldn't have been as significant. But since he contracted it from someone in his close circle, that's pretty disturbing.
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Yes, it was still rape. Just because she was "half conscious" doesn't make it okay. She was still incapacitated by the drugs. She tried to tell him no, if you didn't notice.
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there's sooo many wrong situtions with this movie, which is why i love it so. First off...
The rape scene at the end was just amazing. Everything came full circle, Jenny tries soo hard to stop Telly but can't gets high/drunk with a bunch of kids she knows and then gets raped by Casper who was half high/drunk himself. How messed up is that, honestly? I loved every minute of it, it was the perfect ending to the movie.
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She shouldn't have been there I agree there. Then again none of the kids should have. It was still rape, she said no, she never said yes, she was under the influence. I don't care if Casper was or not, he was definitely more clear headed then her. Hope he did get HIV.
Am i the only one that calls Telly having sex with the girl at the end rape? I haven't seen the movie in probably a year, i've watched it probably 15-20 times or so in my life. I know she told him he was hurting her, i swear she was crying and telling him to stop. So that'd make it two rape scenes in the movie.
Did anyone relate to the story at all? or at least the dialogue? I actually had the same conversation with a good friend when were about 14-15 about deflowering virgins and how they'll always remember it.
i think every school should show this movie to ever 7th grader. It'd help out alot of people.
What'd she whisper to you?
she called me a dirty word
Haha man, I don't know about showing this film to 7th graders. You know how kids seem to do the opposite any way...
This is a better film for kids graduating high school because they are leaving a somewhat protected environment. It is important to learn about "real world" things like aids so you can stay safe and healthy throughout your adult life.
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I just think that 7th grade is a little to young to watch this film. Realisticly, if I was a parent, I would allow my kid to watch this at 15. I think this film overdoes it a little bit (like all of Larry Clarks stuff), so a fair amount of maturity is necessary.
Step aside Butch
If a film was to be shown about HIV to 7th graders, it would need to be a documentary.
Step aside Butch
I don't know where people get these ridiculous estimates about aids from but it goes something like this.
Aids infected man to unprotected female - 99.99% chance
Aids infected female to unprotected male - 50% with outliers which can take the % much higher.
Also the last scene was rape, just because you would do the same thing in that situation doesn't make it right somehow. If you have sex with someone and they don't consent it's considered rape.
The only situations that can be questioned are ones where the female doesn't say no, and is fully aware of whats going on. Then later she's she didn't want to have sex in her mind.
I want to see this movie for it's content. Might not be able to handle it ,but own the X rated version of Robocop and love that movie. Can't believe in the 80's Scarface got an X twice, but Robocop received it 11 times before reaching an R rating.
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jimlovesgirls you may or may not be trolling but your estimates of transmission are totally off. see here for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Transmission
The chance of a girl catching it from a guy is between 0.05% and 0.3%, and the guy catching it from vaginal sex is from 0.01 to 0.3. That is assuming no additional STIs, good health etc.
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funny I watched this movie for the first time when I was in 7th grade.
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I found that scene very disturbing. The other disturbing scene was when a large group of "KIDS" beat a guy to a bloody pulp on the park.
sharethe fact that casper wakes up the next morning with no recollection of what happened has a HUGE significance. Since he is not aware of what happened, Casper will continue to have unprotected sex, thus spreading the disease without knowledge.
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The chances of him getting HIV from vaginal sex is 0.05%.
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